1 00:00:03,169 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:03,179 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,259 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:07,319 Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 6 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:09,690 involve a lien at all it was completely 7 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:13,200 silent it comes right over our head it's 8 00:00:18,050 --> 00:00:16,440 so classic flying-saucer really standing 9 00:00:19,609 --> 00:00:18,060 in the clearing he turned over to my 10 00:00:24,670 --> 00:00:19,619 father and held his hand and he looked 11 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:28,099 welcome to podcast UFO for our live show 12 00:00:33,049 --> 00:00:30,840 we're live every Wednesday at 8 p.m. 13 00:00:35,569 --> 00:00:33,059 Eastern Standard Time on the dark matter 14 00:00:39,260 --> 00:00:35,579 radio network please remember to visit 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:39,270 the 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00:02:59,510 about your last guest Ron rig ear yes 72 00:03:05,530 --> 00:03:03,799 Martin let's do that so that was a help 73 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:05,540 Alejandro on his show I help them with 74 00:03:09,399 --> 00:03:07,760 the news on that and so I listened to 75 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:09,409 the show and Ron rig ear is a 76 00:03:14,530 --> 00:03:11,930 fascinating man what a great show that 77 00:03:17,229 --> 00:03:14,540 is and that's at open minds dot TV 78 00:03:19,629 --> 00:03:17,239 Pakistan that site that came out last 79 00:03:21,339 --> 00:03:19,639 Monday I suggest to any of the listeners 80 00:03:22,890 --> 00:03:21,349 to the show check that out it's a great 81 00:03:26,890 --> 00:03:22,900 show with Ron 82 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:26,900 he was fascinating yeah he's great and 83 00:03:33,219 --> 00:03:30,889 it's kind of funny because I mean his 84 00:03:35,229 --> 00:03:33,229 stories if you wouldn't know any better 85 00:03:37,689 --> 00:03:35,239 I don't think you would believe it but 86 00:03:40,119 --> 00:03:37,699 I've known Ron for many years I mean 87 00:03:43,149 --> 00:03:40,129 ever since I've been in MUFON he was a 88 00:03:44,979 --> 00:03:43,159 director I think in Utah he was on the 89 00:03:47,229 --> 00:03:44,989 board I think now he's some sort of 90 00:03:51,580 --> 00:03:47,239 functional director so he's always been 91 00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:51,590 around and an aerospace engineer and and 92 00:03:56,140 --> 00:03:53,870 here and there over the years I've asked 93 00:03:58,509 --> 00:03:56,150 him talked to him about different things 94 00:04:01,390 --> 00:03:58,519 you know a lot of UFO researchers will 95 00:04:03,849 --> 00:04:01,400 mention him when they write about things 96 00:04:06,849 --> 00:04:03,859 because he's been associated to so many 97 00:04:09,009 --> 00:04:06,859 things along as the days of you know as 98 00:04:11,770 --> 00:04:09,019 the years have gone by and it's so 99 00:04:15,069 --> 00:04:11,780 interesting how his career has been able 100 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:15,079 to mix with his interest in UFOs and how 101 00:04:19,449 --> 00:04:16,849 he's kind of been part of these really 102 00:04:21,029 --> 00:04:19,459 important cases over the years and I 103 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:21,039 always you know 104 00:04:25,750 --> 00:04:23,330 he was like probably one of the first 105 00:04:27,340 --> 00:04:25,760 people I've wanted to interview when I 106 00:04:28,540 --> 00:04:27,350 started my show and I 107 00:04:30,220 --> 00:04:28,550 just can't believe I haven't sat down 108 00:04:32,860 --> 00:04:30,230 and talked to him about all of this 109 00:04:35,110 --> 00:04:32,870 until recently but a lot of people don't 110 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:35,120 know about his fascinated background and 111 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:37,610 he's not the type to really hype himself 112 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:39,650 he's around at these conferences and 113 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:41,990 stuff but there's a lot of people at 114 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:43,490 these conferences where you strike up 115 00:04:48,130 --> 00:04:46,070 conversations get someone maybe you've 116 00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:48,140 seen three years in a row at the UFO 117 00:04:53,230 --> 00:04:50,600 Congress and you ask about him oh yeah 118 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:53,240 I'm an engineer or sure I used to work 119 00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:55,070 at NORAD and we used to see some weird 120 00:05:00,220 --> 00:04:57,440 stuff you know these amazing people who 121 00:05:02,140 --> 00:05:00,230 are interested in this field hey wait a 122 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:02,150 minute would was he at the North 123 00:05:09,490 --> 00:05:05,480 Carolina conference I can't remember 124 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:09,500 most likely I can't remember for sure 125 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:13,610 tall guy there was a tall guy that was 126 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:16,130 some type of engineer that I spoke with 127 00:05:21,730 --> 00:05:17,960 there and I'm wondering if MIT probably 128 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:21,740 was he goes to a lot of these often and 129 00:05:26,250 --> 00:05:23,120 some of you who go to these may 130 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:26,260 recognize him because he often has his 131 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:30,290 dog with him that helps him I think with 132 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:34,070 seizures but he's often got a dog with 133 00:05:38,310 --> 00:05:36,290 him for those purposes at these 134 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:38,320 conferences but he's at a lot of them 135 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:41,990 great guy very very interesting Wow 136 00:05:49,420 --> 00:05:44,890 awesome well so we're here to talk about 137 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:49,430 news so what's going on yeah what's 138 00:05:55,690 --> 00:05:52,400 going on with UFO news this week well I 139 00:05:58,690 --> 00:05:55,700 just finished my story on these Arctic 140 00:06:01,690 --> 00:05:58,700 UFOs I'm sure you've seen the story 141 00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:01,700 because it's all over the place in fact 142 00:06:05,260 --> 00:06:03,140 I'm going to cover a couple stories that 143 00:06:08,170 --> 00:06:05,270 are big in the media international media 144 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:08,180 and this is one of them and I waited a 145 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:10,160 little while to write about it because I 146 00:06:14,470 --> 00:06:12,530 knew there would be more work done and I 147 00:06:16,750 --> 00:06:14,480 knew it would be a lot of work for me to 148 00:06:18,970 --> 00:06:16,760 research everything about them so I can 149 00:06:21,850 --> 00:06:18,980 write a concise story about what's going 150 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:21,860 on here but have you seen these these 151 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:24,410 photos they're really amazing of these 152 00:06:30,550 --> 00:06:27,290 alleged photos of UFOs taken from what 153 00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:30,560 appears to be a periscope of you maybe 154 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:35,510 sub yes wasn't John Greenwald involved 155 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:38,000 in releasing these somehow yeah exactly 156 00:06:42,380 --> 00:06:39,510 so what happened that 157 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:42,390 there's this researcher Alex Mastretta 158 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:45,330 and he says that he received these 159 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:47,280 photos from an anonymous source in 160 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:50,730 Europe then he had heard that a French 161 00:06:57,190 --> 00:06:54,090 newspaper paranormal magazine actually 162 00:07:00,440 --> 00:06:57,200 called top secret had published them and 163 00:07:03,860 --> 00:07:00,450 so he looked at what information they 164 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:03,870 had it was similar to what he had and so 165 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:06,570 he decided to release these pictures on 166 00:07:11,750 --> 00:07:09,510 the black vault with information about 167 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:11,760 what he had so that John Greenwald and 168 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:14,370 others could help him investigate these 169 00:07:22,580 --> 00:07:19,110 photos the his anonymous source told him 170 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:22,590 that these images were taken from the 171 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:26,220 USS trip hang funny enough tripping I 172 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:27,900 guess is a word for like a sea cucumber 173 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:29,760 or something like this but it's a real 174 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:33,210 Navy sub in March of 1971 when they were 175 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:35,910 near Iceland in between Iceland and an 176 00:07:40,970 --> 00:07:37,800 island called Jan Mayen 177 00:07:43,790 --> 00:07:40,980 up in the Arctic and that there was an 178 00:07:46,370 --> 00:07:43,800 admiral on board called a Dean Reynolds 179 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:46,380 and there was also an officer John kill 180 00:07:52,010 --> 00:07:49,050 cow who is the one who saw what appeared 181 00:07:54,260 --> 00:07:52,020 to be what he called an accident 182 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:54,270 so I guess appeared to see the this UFO 183 00:07:59,030 --> 00:07:55,650 even though there's several of them 184 00:08:01,340 --> 00:07:59,040 crash and and I guess having some kind 185 00:08:02,930 --> 00:08:01,350 of a mechanical issue and crashing or 186 00:08:05,990 --> 00:08:02,940 something like that or being shot at 187 00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:06,000 it's kind of vague so really interesting 188 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:09,420 he posts these stories with the pictures 189 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:11,790 they quickly then went to research 190 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:14,310 what's going on with these images so 191 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:16,620 they got a hold of Steve Murillo who 192 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:20,160 runs the UFO and paranormal meetup in 193 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:21,840 Los Angeles and the reason they 194 00:08:25,820 --> 00:08:24,120 contacted him is that he was a Navy 195 00:08:28,610 --> 00:08:25,830 pilot and they asked him if he could 196 00:08:33,290 --> 00:08:28,620 help them get in contact with these two 197 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:33,300 gentlemen Admiral or I'm sorry I gave 198 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:34,890 you the wrong name for the Admiral - his 199 00:08:39,770 --> 00:08:37,410 name was Sackett Dean Reynolds sacca 200 00:08:41,719 --> 00:08:39,780 so admiral Sackett and officer coca and 201 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:41,729 they were able to get ahold of him so 202 00:08:47,570 --> 00:08:45,660 Marilla called Sackett and Mastretta was 203 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:47,580 able to get a hold of officer kill cop 204 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:49,950 they said yeah we were on the tray pang 205 00:08:55,860 --> 00:08:51,490 in March of 206 00:08:59,340 --> 00:08:55,870 1971 and we were in the Arctic in that 207 00:09:01,650 --> 00:08:59,350 area and John Greenwald was able to 208 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:01,660 actually verify that those guys were on 209 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:03,250 the ship separately even before they 210 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:05,260 contacted them at that the ship was in 211 00:09:11,579 --> 00:09:07,690 the area however they said we did not 212 00:09:14,490 --> 00:09:11,589 see anything strange we don't know what 213 00:09:16,769 --> 00:09:14,500 those images are and as far as we know 214 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:16,779 nobody saw anything strange so the story 215 00:09:22,260 --> 00:09:19,720 was false and the Mastretta had said it 216 00:09:23,940 --> 00:09:22,270 turns out that you know that the 217 00:09:28,010 --> 00:09:23,950 information I got from my source is 218 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:28,020 false so who knows what's going on here 219 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:31,600 so this is a little turn of events here 220 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:34,180 well here's the problem even though the 221 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:36,100 national media and everybody has picked 222 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:38,470 it up nobody is telling the story about 223 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:40,570 the investigation that Greenwald and 224 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:43,540 Mastretta and Murillo have done they've 225 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:45,670 done a lot of great investigative work 226 00:09:50,370 --> 00:09:48,240 here so but that's not being covered 227 00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:50,380 unfortunately and they've done some 228 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:52,750 great work in fact Greenwald went on to 229 00:09:55,620 --> 00:09:53,560 do some research 230 00:09:58,949 --> 00:09:55,630 he thought the objects looked like they 231 00:10:00,900 --> 00:09:58,959 might be balloons he also found out on 232 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:00,910 the website where he was able to trace 233 00:10:05,190 --> 00:10:03,279 where the chirping was to confirm it was 234 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:05,200 in that area he said that when it was 235 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:08,310 out there they were doing testing and 236 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:11,440 scientific experiment so he looked up 237 00:10:16,110 --> 00:10:13,930 test balloons sure enough he sounds 238 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:16,120 found some pictures of these gigantic 239 00:10:19,650 --> 00:10:16,870 balloons 240 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:19,660 that looked very similar to what is in 241 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:21,610 the images I went to Wikipedia and 242 00:10:26,670 --> 00:10:23,920 looked at these balloons in that and I 243 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:26,680 found some similar ones myself now these 244 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:29,770 images are from the early 1900's of 245 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:33,250 these weird balloons I nor Greenwald 246 00:10:37,949 --> 00:10:36,279 could find any from the 70s but yeah I 247 00:10:40,730 --> 00:10:37,959 think Greenwald's kind of cracked the 248 00:10:43,410 --> 00:10:40,740 case here I think that's what these are 249 00:10:46,290 --> 00:10:43,420 kind of test balloons that they fire at 250 00:10:47,970 --> 00:10:46,300 and they practice to shooting down the 251 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:47,980 one that looks like it's exploding or 252 00:10:53,250 --> 00:10:50,529 something yeah there's a couple images 253 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:53,260 of these things exploding and sinking 254 00:10:58,170 --> 00:10:55,480 into the ocean and that's what makes 255 00:11:00,900 --> 00:10:58,180 them so spectacular and and wonderful 256 00:11:02,970 --> 00:11:00,910 they're really cool-looking pictures but 257 00:11:04,889 --> 00:11:02,980 none of that has been completely 258 00:11:08,609 --> 00:11:04,899 confirmed yet like you know 259 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:08,619 where they were from or when even if 260 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:10,480 they I mean it's possible they're 261 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:12,850 completely fabricated photoshopped 262 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:16,240 hoaxes but I think Greenwald seems to be 263 00:11:21,929 --> 00:11:17,769 on the right track if you look at the 264 00:11:24,869 --> 00:11:21,939 balloons in the images compared to what 265 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:24,879 these alleged UFO photos I think that 266 00:11:29,749 --> 00:11:27,610 he's figured it out so really cool 267 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:29,759 investigation great work unfortunately 268 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:32,290 the investigation isn't being covered 269 00:11:38,189 --> 00:11:34,329 which I think really kind of sucks to 270 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:38,199 put it bluntly because you know they try 271 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:40,480 to portray UFO researchers as he's like 272 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:41,920 I wrote it in my sort of wild-eyed 273 00:11:45,869 --> 00:11:44,230 believers when actually a lot of them 274 00:11:48,929 --> 00:11:45,879 are really good researchers who are 275 00:11:51,389 --> 00:11:48,939 looking for the truth and there's some 276 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:51,399 great research that's been done here in 277 00:11:57,359 --> 00:11:53,529 fact a mistretta is going to talk more 278 00:12:00,269 --> 00:11:57,369 about it on July 21st Murillo you know 279 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:00,279 holds this meetup in Los Angeles and mr. 280 00:12:04,530 --> 00:12:01,569 strata is going to be there to talk 281 00:12:06,929 --> 00:12:04,540 about it so people in the LA area who 282 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:06,939 want to meet these guys can do that 283 00:12:12,049 --> 00:12:09,220 we've got a link in our story to that 284 00:12:15,210 --> 00:12:12,059 meetup so yeah so that's the story 285 00:12:18,059 --> 00:12:15,220 awesome well that's good investigative 286 00:12:19,769 --> 00:12:18,069 work by everyone yep it really is okay 287 00:12:21,869 --> 00:12:19,779 so what else has happening 288 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:21,879 what else is happening is another story 289 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:24,100 that's making the news it's on CNN and 290 00:12:28,769 --> 00:12:26,110 everywhere and this is the Welsh 291 00:12:31,199 --> 00:12:28,779 government replying to UFO questions in 292 00:12:32,249 --> 00:12:31,209 Klingon we talked about this I think a 293 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:32,259 little bit on my show but it has a 294 00:12:35,579 --> 00:12:33,220 little more information 295 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:35,589 I interviewed Nick Pope yesterday it'll 296 00:12:42,329 --> 00:12:37,889 be on our next UFO report on YouTube 297 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:42,339 about this but what happened is there's 298 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:47,230 Welsh Assembly Minister in the assembly 299 00:12:54,389 --> 00:12:50,980 for Cluett West she asked a question and 300 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:54,399 he about UFOs he said you know our 301 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:56,410 Cardiff Airport how many UFOs have been 302 00:13:00,689 --> 00:12:59,170 seen above it halves the Welsh 303 00:13:04,499 --> 00:13:00,699 government work with the Ministry of 304 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:04,509 Defence regarding UFOs has the Welsh 305 00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:07,360 government looked into UFOs and the 306 00:13:13,289 --> 00:13:09,670 response has been to make fun of him and 307 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:13,299 trash this guy so I mean a lot of people 308 00:13:16,829 --> 00:13:15,160 have said oh that's funny that's great 309 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:16,839 Welsh government so cool especially 310 00:13:20,790 --> 00:13:18,310 because Comic Cons go 311 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:20,800 but really it's really condescending and 312 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:22,630 not very cool of them you know they're 313 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:24,970 obviously not taking him serious at all 314 00:13:31,710 --> 00:13:28,210 so they replied in Klingon they said 315 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:31,720 Jean V Dokdo Scott's luge car ran on 316 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:34,510 some kind of crazy Klingon stuff but 317 00:13:39,330 --> 00:13:36,970 that what it means is the minister will 318 00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:39,340 reply in due course however this is a 319 00:13:45,660 --> 00:13:43,300 non devolved manner and we asked you 320 00:13:48,330 --> 00:13:45,670 know Nick Pope about that he says what 321 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:48,340 he means by an on devolved matter is 322 00:13:56,460 --> 00:13:53,650 that they the Ministry of Defense does 323 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:56,470 not consult the Welsh government it's 324 00:14:02,640 --> 00:13:59,680 kind of above them and they don't you 325 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:02,650 know go downwards they don't tell you 326 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:04,330 hey Welsh government here's what we're 327 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:06,250 working on so they're kind of already 328 00:14:10,170 --> 00:14:08,410 alluding to like Nick Pope says to 329 00:14:12,060 --> 00:14:10,180 passing the buck which is something he 330 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:12,070 says he did when he worked for the 331 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:15,160 Ministry of Defence and that is common 332 00:14:18,770 --> 00:14:16,570 that they're probably going to say we 333 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:18,780 don't know ask the Ministry of Defence 334 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:20,890 for which of course the Ministry of 335 00:14:27,210 --> 00:14:23,290 Defence is answered and talked about 336 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:27,220 that issue often unfortunately one of 337 00:14:33,180 --> 00:14:30,610 the assembly sources an anonymous 338 00:14:35,340 --> 00:14:33,190 assembly sources had kind of replied off 339 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:35,350 the record and he says the only 340 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:37,330 extraterrestrial life seen near Cardiff 341 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:39,510 recently seems to be Darren Millar 342 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:42,130 perhaps instead of spending time and 343 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:44,470 wasting government resources asking 344 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:46,690 questions about UFO he should be 345 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:48,880 fighting for the very real concerns of 346 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:50,050 his constituents 347 00:14:58,050 --> 00:14:54,210 oh you bloke you and that prissy British 348 00:14:59,700 --> 00:14:58,060 man but it was because of his 349 00:15:01,260 --> 00:14:59,710 constituents he was asking these 350 00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:01,270 questions because they were coming from 351 00:15:07,350 --> 00:15:04,480 his constituents so kind of frustrating 352 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Nick Pope replied in a tweet he says 353 00:15:11,850 --> 00:15:09,130 replying to an assembly man's question 354 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:11,860 on the UFOs in Klingon it's a great way 355 00:15:18,510 --> 00:15:14,530 to ridicule the subject I did similar 356 00:15:21,390 --> 00:15:18,520 things at the mo D qapla complies 357 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:21,400 another Klingon term for success and in 358 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:23,350 fact I have him do this if you want a 359 00:15:27,210 --> 00:15:25,870 scenic boat speaking Klingon you can 360 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:27,220 watch your interview that will have out 361 00:15:31,870 --> 00:15:30,610 on Friday but he has sent essentially 362 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:31,880 says you know he 363 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:33,530 all that spin and dirty tricks that when 364 00:15:38,050 --> 00:15:36,110 he was working for the mo D about UFOs 365 00:15:40,810 --> 00:15:38,060 they would do things like this to make 366 00:15:42,730 --> 00:15:40,820 fun of UFOs however in the background 367 00:15:45,340 --> 00:15:42,740 they were taking the reports very very 368 00:15:48,970 --> 00:15:45,350 seriously although they were pretending 369 00:15:50,590 --> 00:15:48,980 not to something else I put in my story 370 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:50,600 that I think it's very interesting is 371 00:15:56,950 --> 00:15:53,420 that in 2012 Huffington Post wrote about 372 00:15:59,620 --> 00:15:56,960 a pool that was done in the UK about 373 00:16:02,410 --> 00:15:59,630 UFOs and they found that 52 percent 374 00:16:04,090 --> 00:16:02,420 believe UFO evidence has been covered up 375 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:04,100 because widespread knowledge of their 376 00:16:09,340 --> 00:16:06,290 existence would threaten government 377 00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:09,350 stability so I mean if you look at this 378 00:16:14,770 --> 00:16:12,320 well story or even this Navy story it 379 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:14,780 was the UK media that picked it up the 380 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:17,480 UK media even references our website 381 00:16:21,340 --> 00:16:19,910 practically on a weekly basis these days 382 00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:21,350 and these are some of their bigger 383 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:23,920 papers like the mirror the Daily Express 384 00:16:30,130 --> 00:16:26,810 their new papers out out there are 385 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:30,140 certainly more tabloid like but they 386 00:16:35,620 --> 00:16:33,110 they write about UFOs much more over 387 00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:35,630 there it seems especially per capita 388 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:38,240 than we do over here so UK people are 389 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:41,600 really into UFOs so hopefully I mean 390 00:16:48,490 --> 00:16:43,490 there's a backlash I just don't think 391 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:48,500 that these these politicians should be 392 00:16:55,060 --> 00:16:51,680 making light of real concerns from their 393 00:16:57,610 --> 00:16:55,070 citizens yeah it's it's just you know 394 00:17:00,400 --> 00:16:57,620 it's par for the course it's a status 395 00:17:05,410 --> 00:17:00,410 quo and you know it's kind of funny that 396 00:17:08,590 --> 00:17:05,420 the the UK you know has so many reports 397 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:08,600 are so many you know articles only 398 00:17:11,949 --> 00:17:10,040 because of the fact that you know when I 399 00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:11,959 speak to people from over there they say 400 00:17:17,949 --> 00:17:14,270 well we never get to see UFOs it's it's 401 00:17:21,130 --> 00:17:17,959 always Claudia Rainey not always but you 402 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,140 know a lot yeah which is a good point I 403 00:17:24,579 --> 00:17:23,120 mean it's difficult to know cuz it you 404 00:17:26,530 --> 00:17:24,589 know there are some organizations out 405 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:26,540 there but it's difficult because it's 406 00:17:30,730 --> 00:17:28,160 not really apples to apples to tell if 407 00:17:33,460 --> 00:17:30,740 they have more reports or not but we do 408 00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:33,470 know in our own country that the son of 409 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:36,500 your areas do seem to have more sighting 410 00:17:40,930 --> 00:17:38,570 reports so it's entirely possible and it 411 00:17:42,790 --> 00:17:40,940 could be why they're so interested in 412 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:42,800 other people's sightings because a lot 413 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:44,340 of the stories they 414 00:17:50,690 --> 00:17:48,570 run over there are us sighting so for 415 00:17:53,180 --> 00:17:50,700 instance when I wrote we talked about 416 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:53,190 this recently about June having a spike 417 00:17:58,010 --> 00:17:56,010 in sightings they ran with that story 418 00:17:59,899 --> 00:17:58,020 out there and I don't even know if the 419 00:18:03,289 --> 00:17:59,909 American media picked it up but the UK 420 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:03,299 media picked it up like crazy which was 421 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:05,250 really cool so they're really interested 422 00:18:09,769 --> 00:18:07,710 in in sightings even if they don't 423 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:09,779 happen in the UK not like the US where 424 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:12,450 we could really give a damn what happens 425 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:15,090 in other countries for the most part hmm 426 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:17,850 good point there so you have one more 427 00:18:21,260 --> 00:18:19,470 we'll have to make it a little bit short 428 00:18:23,899 --> 00:18:21,270 because we're okay a little bit later 429 00:18:25,789 --> 00:18:23,909 I'll do it really quick speaking of 430 00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:25,799 Americans not giving a damn about what 431 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:27,270 happens in other countries here's a 432 00:18:32,539 --> 00:18:29,870 great UFO story from another country 433 00:18:34,970 --> 00:18:32,549 this is just a story about some Turkish 434 00:18:37,060 --> 00:18:34,980 pilots who recall some UFO sightings 435 00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:37,070 there commercial airline pilot 436 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:39,299 essentially who had a couple really cool 437 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:42,000 experiences one pilot just said that you 438 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:44,340 know he was up and and him along with 439 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:47,220 four other aircraft or four aircraft in 440 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:49,470 total saw this extremely bright light 441 00:18:56,389 --> 00:18:51,690 they couldn't even look at it directly 442 00:18:59,060 --> 00:18:56,399 it was so incredibly bright so really 443 00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:59,070 neat story then another story from 444 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:01,260 another pilot who said they saw some 445 00:19:05,539 --> 00:19:03,809 multicolored lights that flew around and 446 00:19:08,389 --> 00:19:05,549 eventually turned into a white ball 447 00:19:11,269 --> 00:19:08,399 before disappearing so really cool 448 00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:11,279 sightings and funny enough the space 449 00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:13,860 editor I think he writes for MSNBC these 450 00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:15,720 days but he's written for a lot space 451 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:19,200 comm and everything Jim Oberg replied to 452 00:19:23,659 --> 00:19:21,750 my story he does that sometimes and it 453 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:23,669 was kind of funny he says and your 454 00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:25,260 reason for thinking this story was 455 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:27,000 significant without providing a date 456 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:30,470 time or location of it was what exactly 457 00:19:37,130 --> 00:19:33,510 especially on an air route passing close 458 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:37,140 to the Beck noir cosmodrome so his point 459 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:38,970 being that you know in the flight path 460 00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:41,100 is a very popular place where they 461 00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:43,320 launch rockets and that's a great point 462 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,380 but of course he's being silly about his 463 00:19:50,149 --> 00:19:48,720 first question but the reason I bring 464 00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:50,159 that up because it's a great question 465 00:19:53,539 --> 00:19:51,840 why do we care because they're 466 00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:53,549 commercial pilots and I think you might 467 00:19:57,529 --> 00:19:55,590 agree and certainly our readers agree 468 00:19:59,989 --> 00:19:57,539 that stories from 469 00:20:03,200 --> 00:19:59,999 for airline pilots are very interesting 470 00:20:05,389 --> 00:20:03,210 because these are people who are flying 471 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:05,399 and up in the air you know quite a bit 472 00:20:11,779 --> 00:20:09,090 in fact Obama's you know pilot for when 473 00:20:13,729 --> 00:20:11,789 he was a candidate came out speaking 474 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,739 about UFOs fairly recently and that was 475 00:20:19,369 --> 00:20:16,559 a big story people just really like to 476 00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:19,379 hear from airline pilots and what was 477 00:20:24,349 --> 00:20:21,960 interesting about Obama's pilot is that 478 00:20:26,869 --> 00:20:24,359 he said most pilots believe in UFOs and 479 00:20:29,629 --> 00:20:26,879 these two pilots say they believe in it 480 00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,639 as well so I think that's very 481 00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:31,679 interesting what you think absolutely 482 00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:34,169 you know I seem to talk quite a bit 483 00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:37,470 about Seth Shostak because I did when I 484 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:39,960 was debating him on UFOs way back and 485 00:20:44,779 --> 00:20:42,049 show number 21 or 22 I can't remember 486 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,789 you know I brought that up about you 487 00:20:48,619 --> 00:20:46,320 know these have people more like trained 488 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:48,629 observers like astronauts and pilots and 489 00:20:53,299 --> 00:20:50,369 things like that and he said absolutely 490 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:53,309 not they're no different than anyone 491 00:20:57,379 --> 00:20:55,049 else and you know it makes no difference 492 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:57,389 I was kind of shocked by that because I 493 00:21:02,269 --> 00:20:59,940 I would think anyone you know flying a 494 00:21:03,649 --> 00:21:02,279 plane would really need to know what's 495 00:21:06,499 --> 00:21:03,659 going on up there and really pay 496 00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:06,509 attention yeah it's really frustrating I 497 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:09,479 mean it's someone like Seth Shostak will 498 00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:11,609 discount pilots even though pilots are 499 00:21:15,739 --> 00:21:13,590 in the air that's where they're spending 500 00:21:18,109 --> 00:21:15,749 their career the rest of us don't have a 501 00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:18,119 career looking up in the sky but szostak 502 00:21:22,339 --> 00:21:20,340 will also say well why don't astronomers 503 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:22,349 see UFOs and why aren't they into UFOs 504 00:21:27,859 --> 00:21:26,070 and they are white they are I did a talk 505 00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:27,869 in Roswell about this where it was 506 00:21:33,589 --> 00:21:29,820 really astronomers who started the 507 00:21:37,729 --> 00:21:33,599 modern-day research into UFOs so there 508 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,739 mister szostak yeah there you go well 509 00:21:42,019 --> 00:21:39,840 hey thanks so much we ran a little long 510 00:21:42,919 --> 00:21:42,029 but it was fun it was good I really 511 00:21:44,989 --> 00:21:42,929 appreciate it 512 00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:44,999 oh I have one more thing to mention I'm 513 00:21:50,419 --> 00:21:47,549 sorry yeah no problem but I speaking of 514 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:50,429 astronomers and UFOs clyde tombaugh's in 515 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,289 the news a lot because he's the one who 516 00:21:58,039 --> 00:21:54,960 discovered Pluto and he was one of those 517 00:22:00,499 --> 00:21:58,049 astronomers who saw UFOs he and there 518 00:22:04,099 --> 00:22:00,509 was a Life magazine story about it in 519 00:22:07,509 --> 00:22:04,109 the 50s which was a huge deal and really 520 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:07,519 rekindled the public's interest in UFOs 521 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:09,929 but that's an interesting story that you 522 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:11,340 see out there and 523 00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:13,800 News these days because of everything 524 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:16,740 going on with Pluto right and I hope the 525 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:18,180 listener out there has checked out the 526 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:20,940 image the images of Pluto it is really 527 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:23,700 something to see something like that you 528 00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:25,470 know showing that some of the mountain 529 00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,350 ranges and you know it's an icy planet 530 00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:30,720 by the boy what it's really actually 531 00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:33,000 great to be able to see that amazing 532 00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:36,840 stuff it's amazing what what mankind can 533 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:38,280 do really if you think about it and 534 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:41,070 takes four hours for the signal the 535 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:42,930 speed of light to reach the earth and 536 00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:45,240 call me a Pollyanna but I think humans 537 00:22:51,050 --> 00:22:48,600 are pretty cool sometimes I'm there with 538 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:51,060 you man all right well thanks a lot and 539 00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:52,080 I'll be talking to you next week 540 00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:54,390 okay talk to you later all right so 541 00:22:57,860 --> 00:22:55,590 everyone hang in there we'll be right 542 00:24:05,200 --> 00:22:57,870 back after this quick music break with 543 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:10,029 Erica Luc's how are you 544 00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:14,130 did you unmute your mic Erica yeah oh I 545 00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:17,400 think I did now that's me can hear me I 546 00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:18,600 can hear you fine 547 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:22,590 okay this only happens on live radio by 548 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,890 the way no of course welcome Kat to come 549 00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:27,360 in and you know pull the mic down like 550 00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:31,380 he/she did last time so welcome to the 551 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:36,059 show thank you yes and we follow I don't 552 00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:37,320 know if you follow each other on 553 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:39,000 Facebook whatever you do on Facebook we 554 00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:41,250 do so we've had some nice little back 555 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,820 and forth for a while and so I was 556 00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:46,679 excited to have you on and talk about 557 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:49,559 who you are what you do and we got some 558 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:52,860 time to fill so let's talk about how you 559 00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:55,049 got interested in the topic to begin 560 00:25:00,020 --> 00:24:58,440 with you know it's it's a I've always 561 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,030 been interested in it and I remember 562 00:25:05,899 --> 00:25:03,000 when I was six years old standing in my 563 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:05,909 school library and I saw a book with a 564 00:25:11,539 --> 00:25:08,610 UFO on the cover and I picked it up and 565 00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:11,549 it was like this this attraction and 566 00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:13,830 from there on out I just read everything 567 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:17,760 I could find I did a lot of research 568 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:21,690 into the paranormal phenomena and I I 569 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:25,289 was always I was drawn to it I'm a very 570 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:29,010 intuitive person and an artist by trade 571 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:31,470 and so it just came naturally to me to 572 00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:33,630 want to learn more about something like 573 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:37,799 this now so you started out that young 574 00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:39,690 are you saying it out did you have any 575 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:41,880 siblings that shared your interest or 576 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:43,530 anything you know I was an only child 577 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:47,010 and clearly maybe that explains a lot 578 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:50,809 who knows but I you know I was always 579 00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:54,510 creative and imaginative and I always 580 00:26:01,970 --> 00:26:00,299 had this this yearning for for studying 581 00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:01,980 this type of thing because I knew there 582 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:05,940 was something much deeper going on and I 583 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,510 felt connected to it I see you know if 584 00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:11,580 funny my son's an only child and he's I 585 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:14,550 think that a lot of times and I know a 586 00:26:19,910 --> 00:26:17,850 few others there these people seem to be 587 00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:19,920 very creative because you know you're 588 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:22,680 spending a lot of time with yourself as 589 00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:24,930 you're young and you know entertaining 590 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:27,720 yourself and you know there's a certain 591 00:26:33,230 --> 00:26:30,570 creation creative element that seems to 592 00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:33,240 follow along with with the only child 593 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:35,160 you know you're not kidding 594 00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:38,370 just that's my mom met she she would 595 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:40,230 vouch for that but you know I think it 596 00:26:43,220 --> 00:26:41,850 was great 597 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:43,230 for me I mean I used to put on little 598 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:45,690 plays in my bedroom and just sing and 599 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:47,970 dance and I loved that and I think 600 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:50,970 because that's the way I processed 601 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:52,830 things that perhaps I was a little bit 602 00:27:00,280 --> 00:26:57,120 more open to intuition and and the 603 00:27:03,170 --> 00:27:00,290 paranormal and UFOs and things like that 604 00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,180 so it was it's always been fascinating 605 00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:05,580 and I remember picking up Communion when 606 00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:09,000 I was in high school and that just that 607 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:11,910 just sent me reeling yeah you know it's 608 00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:14,850 funny how many times that same story 609 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,990 you're just saying right they're not 610 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:18,720 high school but there's so many people 611 00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:20,970 that have been on this show that that's 612 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:24,030 book has you know really changed the way 613 00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:26,310 they think and I've never even you know 614 00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,100 I have the book sitting on my shelf but 615 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,200 in total recent just recently like last 616 00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,080 Friday I had no time to do anything and 617 00:27:38,270 --> 00:27:35,600 now I have all the time in the world 618 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:38,280 well no because you're going on a tour 619 00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:40,170 you're going across country to come 620 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:42,750 visit me okay all right sounds like a 621 00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:45,210 plan okay 622 00:27:51,290 --> 00:27:49,680 now I am going to say that anyone in the 623 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:51,300 chat room if you'd like to pose a 624 00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:53,850 question for Erica you can go ahead and 625 00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:56,760 Eric is actually in there so be kind to 626 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:00,600 her and also if anyone would like to 627 00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:02,550 call into the show our number as always 628 00:28:07,910 --> 00:28:06,390 is 603 nine six seven four oh three oh 629 00:28:09,530 --> 00:28:07,920 you know what I just thought of it I 630 00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,540 should post that on the website or 631 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:11,460 somewhere so I don't have to keep saying 632 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:13,110 it over and over again but you know 633 00:28:18,170 --> 00:28:15,390 Erica we do get occasionally we get a 634 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:18,180 call during a show not a lot of people 635 00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:19,950 you know are active in the chat room 636 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:21,870 usually but don't call so don't don't 637 00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:23,070 hold out for that you can 638 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:28,380 say whatever you want to say so time 639 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:30,210 goes on you go through high school you 640 00:28:36,050 --> 00:28:33,240 read that did you continue like on that 641 00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,060 path I'm sure you had careers and 642 00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:38,460 perhaps college or whatever study you 643 00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,360 did how did how did all that go you know 644 00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:44,940 I was so I started studying classical 645 00:28:53,230 --> 00:28:50,460 boys when I was 16 and I was in a lot of 646 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:53,240 different bands in Utah and performed 647 00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:56,910 did that for a career so my background 648 00:29:03,080 --> 00:28:59,580 was vocal performance and then I became 649 00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:03,090 a master Pilates instructor and opened a 650 00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:06,600 business and have had a business for 15 651 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:09,240 years teaching Pilates and certifying 652 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:12,360 Pilates instructors and the whole time 653 00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:14,910 I've been researching and reading 654 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,430 everything I could get my hands on about 655 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:20,240 the UFO phenomena about abductions and 656 00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:23,610 the paranormal as well because I've had 657 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:27,390 an interesting experience with the 658 00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:29,070 paranormal and I lived in a haunted 659 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:32,580 house it was very very cool so I've had 660 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:34,170 lots of interesting experiences around 661 00:29:39,770 --> 00:29:37,650 me and it's been fantastic well when do 662 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:39,780 I have to you know I know this is UFO 663 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:41,370 show but you know I'm gonna have to ask 664 00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:44,670 you about the haunted house okay and I 665 00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:46,740 why do it was that it was the coolest 666 00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,980 thing I we moved into I was gosh in my 667 00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:51,840 well I'm not even gonna tell you how old 668 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:54,360 I was that's just too depressing but we 669 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:56,070 moved into a house that was a hundred 670 00:30:00,620 --> 00:29:57,090 years old 671 00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:00,630 and at the time my husband was working 672 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:03,780 late at night and so I would just you 673 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:05,970 know just see things the toilet lid 674 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,330 would be up the seat which was odd and I 675 00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:11,520 would notice that I mean literally 676 00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:13,920 candle would just fly off the shelf all 677 00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,750 of these things started to happen and I 678 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:17,820 thought it was a little odd and kept 679 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:20,610 excusing what was going on around me and 680 00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:22,710 rationalizing it and then one night I 681 00:30:26,780 --> 00:30:25,110 was going to bed watch through the 682 00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:26,790 kitchen and I noticed a man leaning 683 00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,220 against the counter mmm and I thought 684 00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:31,980 that okay it's my husband went into bed 685 00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:36,540 and he was in bed asleep so immediately 686 00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:36,960 what 687 00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:39,419 up and I just said oh my lord I've been 688 00:30:42,919 --> 00:30:40,860 seeing this this is what's been 689 00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:42,929 happening and he said thank you I've 690 00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:45,750 been not purposely saying anything and I 691 00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:47,399 wanted to see what you had to say 692 00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:49,260 because I've been seeing a man in our 693 00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,470 house for months Wow so it was a really 694 00:30:59,539 --> 00:30:57,600 interesting experience I think we were 695 00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,549 both intuitive but then we would have 696 00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:01,860 you know I kind of panicked I thought oh 697 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:03,419 my lord what a wreck where were you 698 00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:05,970 living and so I called out a group and 699 00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:07,470 they investigated and that they did 700 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:10,200 several investigations and you know 701 00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:15,840 caught the typical EVPs saud apparition 702 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,350 they it was very very cool whatever was 703 00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:22,559 there was definitely some sort of I felt 704 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:25,470 like a benevolent force and I have to 705 00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:27,690 say when I left the house I was I was 706 00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:31,470 very sad hmm well you know since we're 707 00:31:36,169 --> 00:31:33,870 talking ghosts already I'm gonna just 708 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:36,179 tell it quick oh dear a quick those 709 00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:38,250 stories in and that has only come up I 710 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:42,659 think once and 159 shows here but anyway 711 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,289 my father owned a house in in southern 712 00:31:51,889 --> 00:31:49,020 Maine and it was a very early house 713 00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:51,899 around early 1700s and the house had 714 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:54,899 already been moved once and that way it 715 00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:56,490 had a history a really interesting 716 00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:58,350 history that well not kind of a sad 717 00:32:02,779 --> 00:32:00,779 history but it was attacked by a bite 718 00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:02,789 Native Americans or Indians whatever you 719 00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:05,820 want to say and they they killed the 720 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:07,470 children which was really sad and they 721 00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:10,350 took the wife the woman away and in the 722 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,700 middle of the night she got up this is a 723 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,620 true story she got up in the middle of 724 00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,320 night and she killed she found a knife 725 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,440 she stabbed the Indian and the whatever 726 00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:21,840 it was with her shelter or whatever and 727 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:24,299 escaped and went back to the house well 728 00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:25,830 that that was a story about that well my 729 00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:29,700 father owned this house and he my sister 730 00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:32,220 had an operation and she said dad I saw 731 00:32:36,019 --> 00:32:33,480 a little girl and he says you guys see 732 00:32:38,299 --> 00:32:36,029 her all the time and and all these weird 733 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:38,309 things they had see my sister described 734 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,990 it as a little girl in a white dress 735 00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:42,720 that looked like old-fashioned and she'd 736 00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:45,539 see she'd say she'd see and then she 737 00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,679 wouldn't see it and then she'd see 738 00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,360 through it and you know on and on so I 739 00:32:50,659 --> 00:32:50,159 didn't really didn't pay you know I said 740 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:50,669 wow you 741 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:52,169 all that Here I am in like high school 742 00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:53,970 is something so I didn't really pay that 743 00:32:58,729 --> 00:32:56,940 much attention to it well the land was 744 00:33:01,279 --> 00:32:58,739 sold a big mall came in the house was 745 00:33:02,869 --> 00:33:01,289 moved again down the street about a half 746 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:02,879 a mile or so so I stopped in there one 747 00:33:06,229 --> 00:33:04,289 day because it was an antique shop and I 748 00:33:07,609 --> 00:33:06,239 got to talk to the antique dealer and I 749 00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,619 finally got up the courage and I said 750 00:33:11,629 --> 00:33:09,600 has anyone ever talked about this place 751 00:33:13,099 --> 00:33:11,639 being haunted and he looks at me he goes 752 00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:13,109 do you mean the little girl in the white 753 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:18,080 dress I mean that's pretty amazing to me 754 00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:20,609 and so he said go talk to the 755 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:21,960 accountants they've seen her - so there 756 00:33:25,399 --> 00:33:24,090 was accountants inside and I went in to 757 00:33:26,419 --> 00:33:25,409 talk to him and one of them started 758 00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:26,429 laughing because I don't want to talk 759 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:29,519 about it isn't that incredible you know 760 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:32,369 when I the house that I lived in was so 761 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:34,590 active I mean I would have and these are 762 00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,450 really skeptical people come over they 763 00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:38,580 were my friends lots of them engineers 764 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:40,980 so they would you know yeah yeah 765 00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:43,710 whatever and you know pretty soon they'd 766 00:33:49,159 --> 00:33:46,230 have an experience and it was a little 767 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:49,169 shocking for them but after you know I 768 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,570 lived there for a while the house was on 769 00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:54,960 TV and and it was in a local magazine 770 00:34:00,619 --> 00:33:57,960 and I had somebody Facebook me actually 771 00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:00,629 and said oh did you live at such and 772 00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,179 such an address because I went I lived 773 00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:05,580 next door to that house back when I was 774 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:07,799 ten years old and my girlfriend and I 775 00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:10,049 were down in the basement and we had an 776 00:34:16,819 --> 00:34:13,859 experience that scared us so so much 777 00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,829 that we ran to our bishop and the bishop 778 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:18,780 said to never talk about it again and 779 00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:22,530 here we are Wow you know I know the 780 00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,270 listener out there comes to listen to 781 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,339 the show for UFOs so you have to forgive 782 00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,000 me but you know the the the thing that 783 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:33,119 comes up occasionally is people talk you 784 00:34:37,819 --> 00:34:35,490 know where there's ghosts there's UFOs 785 00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:37,829 there's Bigfoot there's you know 786 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:39,720 cryptids there's all kinds of weird 787 00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:41,849 things going on at once you know I don't 788 00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:43,950 know if any of that's true or not if 789 00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:46,379 there's any type of relation but there 790 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:48,569 is some type of answer for what's 791 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:51,929 happening and I think you know it's a 792 00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,410 elusive as UFOs in general but also you 793 00:35:02,270 --> 00:35:00,240 know I don't know if they'll ever be 794 00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:02,280 figured out same thing as UFOs you know 795 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:04,380 I hope they will but I 796 00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:07,290 know if they actually will or not you 797 00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:09,630 know I think that for me the more I 798 00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:12,440 learned about this subject the more I 799 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:15,240 probably leaned towards saying that 800 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:17,910 these from this phenomena is you know 801 00:35:22,850 --> 00:35:20,490 the paranormal of ghosts this is this 802 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:22,860 could be connected with the UFO 803 00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,090 phenomena when you're looking at 804 00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:26,940 abductions many people that have had 805 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:29,580 abduction experiences will see the orbs 806 00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:33,270 by their bed and you know so we just the 807 00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:34,740 bottom line is we don't know 808 00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:37,500 it's unexplained and until we're willing 809 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:40,860 to really put effort into it and in 810 00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,710 serious research and quit debating 811 00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:45,540 whether they're here or not I think 812 00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:47,340 there's enough evidence to say they are 813 00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,470 so now what are we going to do about it 814 00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:51,180 how are we going to research this 815 00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:55,100 phenomena and work together right right 816 00:36:00,350 --> 00:35:58,890 so Erika you are now the director of 817 00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:00,360 MUFON of Utah 818 00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:03,900 I am state director for Utah MUFON and I 819 00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:06,600 love it there's so much going on in this 820 00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:09,750 state it's just been fun I you know I I 821 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,670 can understand a lot of times we talk 822 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:13,680 about there's more sightings and where 823 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:16,920 there's clearer skies I don't you know I 824 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:19,050 think that definitely plays into it when 825 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:20,970 you think of places like England which 826 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:23,130 we spoke about earlier in the news how 827 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:24,990 you know it's cloudy there a lot it's 828 00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:27,570 rainy there a lot but in states like 829 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:30,900 California Arizona and Utah 830 00:36:36,850 --> 00:36:33,510 I'm sure Nevada there's a lot of 831 00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:36,860 sunshine and which means clear skies and 832 00:36:42,350 --> 00:36:40,230 probably more sightings right and I 833 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:42,360 think that we do have a lot of sightings 834 00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:45,570 in Utah now my job as a state director 835 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:48,920 is to encourage people to report them 836 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:51,570 yeah because wow you know we have a 837 00:36:58,610 --> 00:36:52,680 skipper this is skinwalker ranch 838 00:37:00,130 --> 00:36:58,620 territory right now speaking of that you 839 00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:00,140 know we've had a couple of guests on 840 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:03,540 recently we're two weeks in a row so I 841 00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:05,970 won't belabor it too much but where we 842 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:09,980 talk about the amount of UFO sightings 843 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:12,960 compared to the actual reports and I'm 844 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:15,690 sure you see exactly that right yes 845 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:17,330 exactly 846 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:19,630 and and I don't know you know we can't 847 00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:22,730 fill out reports for people you know 848 00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,080 that's just they have to do it 849 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:26,720 themselves and you know there's got to 850 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:29,810 be a lot of psychology that goes along 851 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:31,730 with the reason why people won't do that 852 00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:35,570 I think there is and I think you know 853 00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:39,020 some of it is up until now it's been 854 00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,460 really really hard where do you go to 855 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:42,560 report stuff I know when I had my 856 00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:44,450 sightings in Utah the first thing I did 857 00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:48,830 was try to contact the FAA and I learned 858 00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:52,550 that lesson really quickly yeah but when 859 00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:54,740 you go to the FAA website at the time 860 00:38:01,360 --> 00:37:57,260 when I went there they referred you to 861 00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,370 Bigelow Aerospace and then to new Fork 862 00:38:07,330 --> 00:38:03,920 and so and the number for Bigelow was 863 00:38:11,050 --> 00:38:07,340 out of service and in new Fork I paid 864 00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:11,060 Peter Davenport was fantastic and but 865 00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:13,340 there was nobody here in Utah really 866 00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:15,830 actively researching what was going on 867 00:38:21,850 --> 00:38:18,800 so I hope that I can encourage people 868 00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:21,860 not only here but all over to take take 869 00:38:26,590 --> 00:38:24,260 the time go to MUFON file a report 870 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:26,600 because this is this is vital to our 871 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:29,330 research okay so let's let's talk a 872 00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:32,510 little bit about research are you active 873 00:38:36,580 --> 00:38:35,120 in actually researching cases or you 874 00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,590 know being the director is that a 875 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:38,960 different type of role you know I do 876 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:43,610 both it's you know he it's just it's 877 00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,490 challenging because I have right now I'm 878 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,320 building up a chapter that was basically 879 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:51,200 defunct and so I've stepped in and we 880 00:38:56,170 --> 00:38:54,050 had a really small number of members and 881 00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:56,180 I'm rebuilding that and then I'll get 882 00:39:04,000 --> 00:38:59,210 cases and and try to research them and 883 00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:04,010 and run a business and have a family but 884 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:05,720 and I do I do a lot of work from MUFON 885 00:39:09,970 --> 00:39:09,110 headquarters as well but it's it's a 886 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:09,980 work in progress 887 00:39:14,170 --> 00:39:12,650 Wow okay so I've just been sort of 888 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:14,180 corrected on the chat room we have a 889 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:16,730 listener in the chat room from South 890 00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:19,370 England and that must be like in the 891 00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:22,040 middle of the night there isn't it he 892 00:39:28,330 --> 00:39:22,880 calls himself 893 00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:28,340 I love Martin I love that guy anyway so 894 00:39:31,059 --> 00:39:30,380 he says it's clear most of the time 895 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:31,069 there so I 896 00:39:39,339 --> 00:39:35,690 take that back I stand corrected and so 897 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:39,349 I would be interested to hear like 898 00:39:43,859 --> 00:39:41,690 earlier on in the newscast we were 899 00:39:48,849 --> 00:39:43,869 talking about how there is so many 900 00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,859 stories about UFOs in the UK press so it 901 00:39:54,189 --> 00:39:51,920 would be interesting to to actually find 902 00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:54,199 out exactly why and what the general 903 00:39:57,489 --> 00:39:56,839 thoughts were there so maybe we should 904 00:40:02,439 --> 00:39:57,499 go over there 905 00:40:05,019 --> 00:40:02,449 should yeah since I'm unemployed on I'll 906 00:40:07,959 --> 00:40:05,029 go anywhere anywhere the wind blows or 907 00:40:09,939 --> 00:40:07,969 the UFOs below any you know float I will 908 00:40:12,819 --> 00:40:09,949 go yeah 909 00:40:15,309 --> 00:40:12,829 so it's 140 in the morning thanks for 910 00:40:17,739 --> 00:40:15,319 joining us over there and listening live 911 00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:17,749 and speaking of that if you are 912 00:40:22,059 --> 00:40:19,339 listening live you can jump in the 913 00:40:24,819 --> 00:40:22,069 chatroom that's at podcast UFO comm and 914 00:40:28,539 --> 00:40:24,829 ask our guest tonight a question again 915 00:40:30,339 --> 00:40:28,549 the phone number 603 nine six seven four 916 00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:30,349 OH three oh and I have to say that a 917 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:32,150 couple of times I've missed calls 918 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:35,209 because a little behind the scenes here 919 00:40:39,219 --> 00:40:36,650 you know I've got three different 920 00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:39,229 computers set up and the calls come in 921 00:40:43,329 --> 00:40:41,150 on one that's to my heart right and 922 00:40:45,699 --> 00:40:43,339 sometimes I miss a call and if I do I 923 00:40:47,799 --> 00:40:45,709 apologize so Erica if you happen to see 924 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:47,809 one pop-up and I don't get it 925 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:51,170 stop what you're saying and say if you 926 00:40:59,769 --> 00:40:57,410 would okay yeah so so you do actually 927 00:41:01,630 --> 00:40:59,779 some of the investigating yourself but a 928 00:41:04,779 --> 00:41:01,640 busy life most people have busy lives 929 00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:04,789 that are involved in MUFON we do and I 930 00:41:10,109 --> 00:41:07,640 think an important thing to remember it 931 00:41:12,759 --> 00:41:10,119 is that this is a volunteer organization 932 00:41:14,769 --> 00:41:12,769 when I first joined MUFON I was 933 00:41:17,949 --> 00:41:14,779 absolutely shocked at the amount of 934 00:41:20,769 --> 00:41:17,959 money that people spend from their own 935 00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:20,779 personal funds that the time commitments 936 00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:24,140 and in the patience and the perseverance 937 00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,380 that they put into researching this most 938 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:29,599 of them never get any attention for 939 00:41:35,499 --> 00:41:33,650 their great contributions and it's it's 940 00:41:37,689 --> 00:41:35,509 something that needs to change and I 941 00:41:41,019 --> 00:41:37,699 really hope people realize that we need 942 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:41,029 we need volunteers we need support we 943 00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:44,570 need donations to help us get 944 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:47,270 great equipment to research this move on 945 00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:50,230 I have loved my experience and move on 946 00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:53,240 and how many years I've been there for 947 00:41:58,420 --> 00:41:53,990 two years 948 00:42:03,130 --> 00:41:58,430 director Wow well you know I'm a quick 949 00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:03,140 mover so just a few minutes ago you 950 00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:04,760 mentioned something about a sighting you 951 00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:07,670 had so can you tell us about that yes I 952 00:42:15,310 --> 00:42:12,950 was 2013 I live in an area of Salt Lake 953 00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:15,320 and I have an amazing view and so I 954 00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:17,900 would sit down on my deck and have a 955 00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:20,900 barbecue have the friends over and I 956 00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,070 would get you know I just see the 957 00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,800 beautiful sunsets I could tell what the 958 00:42:30,070 --> 00:42:27,440 what aircraft was coming in and and all 959 00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,080 of that the normal activity and I'd 960 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:32,480 noticed one night as I was watching the 961 00:42:38,290 --> 00:42:34,730 sunset and I'd noticed this bright 962 00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:38,300 orange sphere and I thought okay that's 963 00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:41,600 very odd the light was different than it 964 00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:45,920 it would be if it were a plane it was it 965 00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:48,230 was amazing and I just I watched it for 966 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:49,300 quite some time 967 00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:52,010 grab my binoculars I had some friends 968 00:42:57,070 --> 00:42:54,470 over and then I noticed that there was 969 00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:57,080 you know a big object and then it 970 00:43:01,450 --> 00:42:58,760 appeared another one dropped out of a 971 00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:01,460 smaller object the object went around in 972 00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:04,640 a circle around the bigger object and I 973 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:06,950 just sat there like all righty 974 00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:10,850 really Wow and and to me you know we 975 00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:14,780 were just in shock but you know then as 976 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:16,520 I looked through the binoculars there 977 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:19,190 were no discerning I mean there it was a 978 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:21,770 solid light I couldn't see any landing 979 00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,050 lights and it was pretty shocking I 980 00:43:30,490 --> 00:43:28,880 began to after that I began to set up my 981 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:30,500 video equipment every night 982 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:34,130 and almost like clockwork these objects 983 00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:35,810 would appear and sometimes they would 984 00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:37,700 appear from the base of a mountain and 985 00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:40,460 move up and one you know this this 986 00:43:45,550 --> 00:43:42,950 object would move up and just just hover 987 00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:45,560 and then it would go away men another 988 00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:47,630 one would rise up the same location and 989 00:43:54,250 --> 00:43:50,540 hover and then follow the same flight 990 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:54,260 path and it did it a third time and you 991 00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:56,210 watch this and you just think oh my lord 992 00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:57,900 am I the only person 993 00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:01,260 in the world that's seeing this so I 994 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:05,070 that's what set me in motion and set me 995 00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:08,250 on the path of reaching out to new Fork 996 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:11,700 talking to MUFON realizing that we need 997 00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:15,480 to have some serious investigation here 998 00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:18,150 in Utah now do you still live in the 999 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,780 same place you did in 2013 I do and are 1000 00:44:26,570 --> 00:44:23,760 these things still going on is it still 1001 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:26,580 happening they are and I wish that I had 1002 00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,310 as much time as I did back then to sit 1003 00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:32,160 out on the porch if they are we're still 1004 00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:35,940 getting reports many reports are over 1005 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:37,830 the Kennecott Copper mines which I find 1006 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:40,530 interesting and the ochre mountains over 1007 00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:42,570 the same places that I observed these 1008 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:45,630 objects I've been I'm in the process of 1009 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:49,170 doing a research project with MUFON 1010 00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:51,930 called Project Orange and we are 1011 00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:55,140 specifically researching the orange orb 1012 00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,110 phenomenon is that with Bob Davis is 1013 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:00,420 that the right person it's with Roberts 1014 00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:02,610 pairing and Terry ray cherry ray that's 1015 00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:05,460 who I was thinking of yeah you know it's 1016 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:06,780 interesting that you just mentioned the 1017 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:10,130 copper the copper 1018 00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:12,570 quarry's or whatever it is that you just 1019 00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,240 said because um I'm trying to remember 1020 00:45:19,310 --> 00:45:17,280 is it brown Mountain we have Brown 1021 00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:19,320 Mountain lights mm-hmm 1022 00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:22,020 the same thing that's a real hot spot 1023 00:45:27,590 --> 00:45:25,320 and there's many many many sightings 1024 00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:27,600 over the over you know in the brown 1025 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:31,110 mountain area and also it has a high 1026 00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:34,530 content of copper in right in that 1027 00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,540 valley right there and I'm wondering you 1028 00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:38,160 know it's got I hear you're talking 1029 00:45:45,110 --> 00:45:41,780 about this there seems to be a link 1030 00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,120 because I think that's the third time 1031 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:48,060 I've heard something about that now it's 1032 00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:50,730 very very possible that this could be 1033 00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:52,590 some type of natural phenomenon that 1034 00:46:00,500 --> 00:45:58,680 happens because of copper and say you 1035 00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:00,510 know it's kind of like how you you make 1036 00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:02,100 a battery you know I mean you get 1037 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:04,350 different elements you know what I'm 1038 00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,850 going way out of my field here and I'm 1039 00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:07,200 probably going to say something totally 1040 00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:10,500 wrong but anyway it's it's a possibility 1041 00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:11,640 that something like that 1042 00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:16,470 has a natural element to it yeah I I 1043 00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:18,630 agree with that and there are people you 1044 00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,040 know then of course that's something 1045 00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,440 that we have to rule out when we're 1046 00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:24,240 investigating but the thing that is 1047 00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:26,760 becoming apparent is that these objects 1048 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:32,070 are moving with intelligence and they're 1049 00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:35,010 in some cases they're responding to 1050 00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:38,070 people and a person's awareness of the 1051 00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:41,400 object so I think that there might be a 1052 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:43,470 little bit more going on but that's part 1053 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,210 of the research project you know process 1054 00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:48,960 how do you definitively say it is not 1055 00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,500 that so now we move on to this right 1056 00:46:56,810 --> 00:46:54,240 well that would you know when something 1057 00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:56,820 has an element like that that can't be 1058 00:47:01,900 --> 00:46:59,400 explained then that's you know it moves 1059 00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:01,910 further and further away from a natural 1060 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:06,060 course of course it does any updates on 1061 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:08,970 the July 4th part of project Orange on 1062 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:11,940 that's that's on the message board when 1063 00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:13,890 I love that thank you for asking that so 1064 00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,220 i right now robert's pairing is going 1065 00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:19,380 through all of the July 4th sightings 1066 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:23,430 reports he's been amazing and he's 1067 00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:25,170 almost got all of the states done with 1068 00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:27,120 the help of my assistant state director 1069 00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:31,140 and he is he's we had to put in weather 1070 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,080 data really weed out the good cases and 1071 00:47:39,970 --> 00:47:37,020 cases that are not cases that would be 1072 00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:39,980 Chinese lanterns I hate to even say that 1073 00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:43,980 but so we're we're gaining lots of 1074 00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:45,750 headway there and then we have to get 1075 00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:48,510 into the real nuts and bolts of the 1076 00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,380 study and start identifying how the 1077 00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:54,900 objects are behaving is there a specific 1078 00:48:02,920 --> 00:47:58,230 time of day where are the sightings 1079 00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:02,930 clusters and my one of my tasks is to 1080 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:06,540 have a map where I can layer you know 1081 00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:09,690 the the minds mineral content rare earth 1082 00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:12,390 content I would like to do you know the 1083 00:48:19,580 --> 00:48:15,750 military installations the aeronautical 1084 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:19,590 charts bodies of water you know there 1085 00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:21,570 we've had lots of reports of these 1086 00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:24,630 objects over radio towers 1087 00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:28,680 so you could go anywhere with this and 1088 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:32,670 and I think we definitely need to to 1089 00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:34,920 start doing some some cool stuff with 1090 00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:37,920 maps and figuring out why why these 1091 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:40,460 objects are attracted to specific areas 1092 00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:43,530 now are there other a lot of other 1093 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:46,590 sightings of different you know well I 1094 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:50,400 want to say crafts or do you hear about 1095 00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:54,210 the triangle sightings out there we do 1096 00:49:01,760 --> 00:48:58,680 and they they're you know we get a few 1097 00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:01,770 of those honestly 80% of the case 1098 00:49:11,350 --> 00:49:05,160 reports are the orbs really that yeah 1099 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:11,360 yep amazing and on a regular basis say 1100 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:15,570 you know we just as happenstance is we 1101 00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,330 had someone from MUFON last week I'm not 1102 00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:20,940 doing this on purpose it just happened 1103 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:24,840 like that and I just want to know he was 1104 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:27,570 saying that I believe he said they get 1105 00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:30,690 about 16 to 30 reports a month in that 1106 00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,720 state which is pretty high for you know 1107 00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:35,520 because it's a small state do you know 1108 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:38,070 approximately how many reports roll in 1109 00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:39,810 per month oh boy 1110 00:49:46,610 --> 00:49:42,900 you know I am very sad to say that it's 1111 00:49:49,550 --> 00:49:46,620 between 8 and 10 uh-huh well again you 1112 00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:49,560 know I mean statistically if you look at 1113 00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,150 it that way there's probably a heck of a 1114 00:49:56,330 --> 00:49:53,040 lot of them happening and only 8 or 10 1115 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:56,340 roll in you know that's one of the 1116 00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:57,570 things just it's raising public 1117 00:50:02,600 --> 00:49:59,640 awareness and letting people know that 1118 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:02,610 there is a place to to file a report and 1119 00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,010 a really cool thing is that MUFON has 1120 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:07,200 been working very hard to revamp that 1121 00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,650 the CMS and the way people can input 1122 00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:13,920 reports I think that changing that up 1123 00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:16,710 and making it more accessible will be 1124 00:50:21,620 --> 00:50:18,750 helpful and we'll see our numbers 1125 00:50:23,780 --> 00:50:21,630 increase with reports you know I think 1126 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:23,790 the average person today with all the 1127 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:25,530 information coming at them in every 1128 00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:28,410 which way the average person has a 1129 00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:31,140 shorter attention span than ever you 1130 00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:34,200 know so yeah you'd have to anything 1131 00:50:37,580 --> 00:50:35,550 you're doing today you have to keep that 1132 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:37,590 in mind and you know make things as 1133 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:38,410 simple as 1134 00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,930 simple you know it's kind of sad isn't 1135 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:42,780 it 1136 00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:46,720 the technology is dumbing us down like 1137 00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:49,270 you know I really I really think that is 1138 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:51,190 the case it's too bad because now we're 1139 00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:54,130 so you know fixed to our iPhones and 1140 00:50:59,339 --> 00:50:55,960 we're always looking down and we never 1141 00:51:02,010 --> 00:50:59,349 pay attention to our surroundings that's 1142 00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:02,020 right on a lot of really really profound 1143 00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:05,460 amazing things that's right yep we're 1144 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:08,500 this is way way off topic but last year 1145 00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:10,930 I took a couple days off and I couldn't 1146 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:13,240 use my phone or a computer and I was 1147 00:51:18,329 --> 00:51:16,450 jonesing for it I was like crawling the 1148 00:51:19,799 --> 00:51:18,339 walls for the first day and then the 1149 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:19,809 second day I never wanted to go back to 1150 00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:24,160 him again you know it's like it's like a 1151 00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:28,150 pacifier I think yeah it does something 1152 00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:31,359 to you chemically to check your email 1153 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:33,160 there was some type of report about that 1154 00:51:39,029 --> 00:51:35,770 how it's almost like some type of 1155 00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:39,039 addiction on how we need to keep 1156 00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,049 checking our email or keeping in touch 1157 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:43,119 you know when the world is going around 1158 00:51:47,279 --> 00:51:45,250 right right there and we were glued to 1159 00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:47,289 it we have a question up on the message 1160 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:49,569 board do you have any suggestions on 1161 00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:52,089 equipment for the amateur observer 1162 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:55,660 watcher camera lens computer etc you 1163 00:51:59,549 --> 00:51:57,010 know that that's another great question 1164 00:52:01,049 --> 00:51:59,559 and we need more people like you because 1165 00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,059 we need people that are out there doing 1166 00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:03,760 it with good equipment you know anything 1167 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:05,980 with that if you can get it at 1168 00:52:10,349 --> 00:52:07,930 night-vision anything with the night 1169 00:52:13,650 --> 00:52:10,359 vision is fantastic I have a pair of 1170 00:52:14,609 --> 00:52:13,660 night-vision binoculars night Jaguar I 1171 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:14,619 just love that name 1172 00:52:20,099 --> 00:52:17,770 that I am using right now those are 1173 00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:20,109 great you have to make sure you don't 1174 00:52:24,569 --> 00:52:21,400 look at the city lights with them I 1175 00:52:27,059 --> 00:52:24,579 learned that one the hard way but you 1176 00:52:30,089 --> 00:52:27,069 that's wonderful it is incredibly 1177 00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:30,099 difficult to take photos of a moving 1178 00:52:35,549 --> 00:52:32,950 object at night and so I have been 1179 00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:35,559 working with our photo analyst here 1180 00:52:40,410 --> 00:52:38,680 trying to hone in on on what I need to 1181 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:40,420 do to make that happen a little bit 1182 00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:42,730 better and so I will keep you guys 1183 00:52:48,779 --> 00:52:46,150 posted on that as we learn more stuff 1184 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:48,789 and Wilbur Allen has taken some amazing 1185 00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:51,670 videos and photo I'm hoping next week I 1186 00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:52,270 can talk with 1187 00:52:57,090 --> 00:52:54,790 him and just pick his brain about good 1188 00:52:59,280 --> 00:52:57,100 equipment yeah that's it 1189 00:53:01,500 --> 00:52:59,290 you know this is a the first time this 1190 00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:01,510 has ever happened to me I live on top of 1191 00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,380 a mountain in Maine and I don't know if 1192 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:06,640 the listener can hear it but there's 1193 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:08,410 coyotes howling in the background I've 1194 00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:10,570 never heard that that's the first time 1195 00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,420 oh it must be the government because I'm 1196 00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:18,640 talking about UFOs no exactly 1197 00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:20,860 yeah I'm actually way too relaxed 1198 00:53:25,590 --> 00:53:22,510 tonight so you're gonna have to do the 1199 00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:25,600 rest of the show it'd be really 1200 00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:27,430 frightening for you I'm telling it so 1201 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:29,620 speaking of that we have only a few more 1202 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:31,450 minutes we do take a quick break it's 1203 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:33,730 just a little like five-second break at 1204 00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:35,650 the top of the hour but let's talk about 1205 00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:38,920 your show that is starting this Friday I 1206 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:42,780 am so excited it's called UFO audit on 1207 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:47,230 kgr a radio I will be interviewing some 1208 00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:50,650 of the top researchers in the field like 1209 00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,270 you and also my my goal and what I'm 1210 00:54:01,650 --> 00:53:57,280 going to be doing is is honoring a 1211 00:54:03,390 --> 00:54:01,660 member of the community and this this 1212 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:03,400 Friday I am going to be talking about 1213 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:06,930 James Clarkson who is his amazing 1214 00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:09,730 investigator he's been with MUFON for a 1215 00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:12,310 long long time he is the state director 1216 00:54:16,860 --> 00:54:14,470 up in Washington State and he's written 1217 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:16,870 a couple books one specifically on June 1218 00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:21,850 crane so it'll be fun to honor and talk 1219 00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:23,350 about people that have made a great 1220 00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:26,620 contribution in the field well and do 1221 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:28,420 you have I know what it's like the 1222 00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:30,610 course to run a show and you know we 1223 00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:34,620 could guess it's thick and thin but 1224 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:37,150 usually people I've noticed in this 1225 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:40,810 field because I I used to do a podcast 1226 00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:44,170 with comedians and which was a lot of 1227 00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:46,900 fun I got to say but you know booking a 1228 00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:48,820 comedian is not easy especially if 1229 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:54,160 they're a headliner or a name so but are 1230 00:54:58,350 --> 00:54:55,690 you finding that you have guests lined 1231 00:55:01,080 --> 00:54:58,360 up ahead of time you know I have been 1232 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:01,090 really lucky I have been working hard 1233 00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:02,530 and I think because of the work I've 1234 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:05,740 done from MUFON people have a good idea 1235 00:55:14,730 --> 00:55:08,650 so I have Peter Robbins Denise stoner 1236 00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:14,740 Paula Harris Richard Dolan and so I 1237 00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,460 think it'll be great 1238 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:16,960 you know I but I've got all of these 1239 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:20,530 wonderful people and they've they're all 1240 00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:21,970 people that I've developed relationships 1241 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:25,510 with and have a lot of respect for there 1242 00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:28,089 are many other people that I've found as 1243 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:31,240 well that are witnesses experiencers and 1244 00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:34,210 these people need to have a platform to 1245 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:36,700 tell their story as well now tell us 1246 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:39,730 what station you're on Kay well how does 1247 00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:42,130 that what's that station you're on its 1248 00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:46,270 kgr a radio oh that's right Kay GRA I 1249 00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,240 think I was I may have been on that for 1250 00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:51,520 a short time or I might be confusing 1251 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:53,560 with it I was on one for a very short 1252 00:55:59,790 --> 00:55:56,890 time and I can't remember what the heck 1253 00:56:02,130 --> 00:55:59,800 happened but I'm sure you'll have a good 1254 00:56:04,589 --> 00:56:02,140 run well we'll have to get you on there 1255 00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,599 well just to just to back up a little 1256 00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:06,160 bit I heard you I believe you said that 1257 00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:07,900 I was a researcher I am NOT a researcher 1258 00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:11,520 just to let you know but I just have I 1259 00:56:17,609 --> 00:56:13,830 guess I could be called an armchair 1260 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:17,619 researcher but I just am into the topic 1261 00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:20,970 I enjoy the topic I enjoy speaking to 1262 00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:23,800 intelligent and interesting people and 1263 00:56:28,859 --> 00:56:26,950 hearing everybody's thoughts on what 1264 00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:28,869 could possibly be going on that's what 1265 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:32,140 really keeps me glued to it and gets me 1266 00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,570 excited to just hear different 1267 00:56:40,530 --> 00:56:36,880 perspectives and you know be interesting 1268 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:40,540 to I would like for you to I'll just 1269 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:43,930 throw this at you if you'd like to just 1270 00:56:50,099 --> 00:56:47,440 bring up the topic with Richard Dolan 1271 00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:50,109 when he's on about where he stands now 1272 00:56:57,150 --> 00:56:53,260 with the alien slides from May 5th I'd 1273 00:56:59,099 --> 00:56:57,160 like to know how he feels after the 1274 00:57:02,099 --> 00:56:59,109 whole thing kind of crumbled some people 1275 00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:02,109 saying it's not crumbled but so we can 1276 00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:04,150 talk a little bit more about that in the 1277 00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:06,190 second half we just have a couple of 1278 00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:11,400 minutes left here and I thought I saw oh 1279 00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:14,470 I thought I had a question up there but 1280 00:57:18,660 --> 00:57:16,510 it was actually complement to you know 1281 00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:18,670 Phil thank you you really made my night 1282 00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:19,150 that 1283 00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:21,100 makes me very happy well I was telling 1284 00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:22,660 everyone in the message room to be kind 1285 00:57:28,590 --> 00:57:26,100 because I'll just leave it at that 1286 00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:28,600 well they're being very kind and I 1287 00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:31,300 appreciate the support and it's nice to 1288 00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:34,660 have good feedback and if anyone would 1289 00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:36,430 like to call in we'll be taking a break 1290 00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:42,910 here in a second and it's a 603 967 403 1291 00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:46,870 oh and so your show how did that how did 1292 00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,350 that come about yeah I since I have a 1293 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:52,960 background in music and I've done you 1294 00:57:59,340 --> 00:57:54,970 know all of this performing I've done 1295 00:58:02,310 --> 00:57:59,350 radio voiceovers recorded lots of CDs I 1296 00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,320 did to me it's a very fun natural thing 1297 00:58:07,770 --> 00:58:05,440 and when I started to work for MUFON 1298 00:58:11,550 --> 00:58:07,780 headquarters I was doing some video 1299 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:11,560 things for them and I have guest hosted 1300 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:14,290 the MUFON radio show which I really love 1301 00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:16,210 to do i unlike you I love to talk to 1302 00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:19,630 people and connect and to allow people 1303 00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:22,780 to share their stories and so it just 1304 00:58:29,220 --> 00:58:26,260 one thing led to another and then race 1305 00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:29,230 hobbs was fantastic and we decided to do 1306 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:31,150 the show and here in here we are 1307 00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:34,570 Wow well you do I do have to say you you 1308 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:38,230 are you're very relaxing to talk to you 1309 00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:43,330 have a very nice voice and and so that's 1310 00:58:49,890 --> 00:58:45,790 why I feel so relaxed oh thank you 1311 00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,900 besides being unemployed yeah I'm not 1312 00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:51,520 gonna harp on that too much well we're 1313 00:59:52,290 --> 00:58:53,260 ready to take a little quick music break 1314 00:59:59,850 --> 00:59:54,880 all right we're back with Erica Luke's 1315 01:00:06,340 --> 00:59:59,860 and again if you want to call in 603 967 1316 01:00:07,570 --> 01:00:06,350 403 oh and so Erica I can't remember 1317 01:00:10,350 --> 01:00:07,580 what I said I was going to ask you more 1318 01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:10,360 about in the second part of the show oh 1319 01:00:14,590 --> 01:00:12,350 Lord I don't even know if I should 1320 01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:14,600 remind you but it might be that it's my 1321 01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:17,390 favorite Roswell the slides oh yes yeah 1322 01:00:22,690 --> 01:00:20,990 yeah you probably shouldn't so I had 1323 01:00:24,580 --> 01:00:22,700 made kind of a vow in the show because 1324 01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:24,590 what I did is I had right after that I 1325 01:00:29,350 --> 01:00:26,390 had a show just about the slides only 1326 01:00:30,940 --> 01:00:29,360 and then I said okay making a promise to 1327 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:30,950 you that I won't keep talking about this 1328 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:33,890 but you and I had a brief conversation 1329 01:00:39,790 --> 01:00:36,890 during our soundcheck today and you said 1330 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:39,800 that you speak with Jaime all the time 1331 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:41,930 you also speak with Kurt Collins so 1332 01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:43,370 you're speaking to these people on both 1333 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:47,830 sides of the fence now because of that I 1334 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:50,330 I'm really scared to ask this question 1335 01:00:56,050 --> 01:00:52,130 but I'm thinking I'm going to ask it 1336 01:01:00,940 --> 01:00:56,060 anyway what do you think oh dear I think 1337 01:01:02,650 --> 01:01:00,950 that I'm kind of yeah I it is it's 1338 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:02,660 amazing because I don't know at the end 1339 01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:05,930 of the day what what will happen I think 1340 01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:09,950 for me being in the the role of the 1341 01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:12,710 person that interviewed Jaime at such a 1342 01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:16,190 volatile time was fascinating because I 1343 01:01:22,270 --> 01:01:20,630 had to do a lot of research I talked to 1344 01:01:25,150 --> 01:01:22,280 you know I was unfortunate enough to 1345 01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:25,160 have a friend that was one of the 1346 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:27,260 foremost Native American Historians in 1347 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:29,570 the world and so I could talk with him 1348 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:32,450 about the burial practices of Native 1349 01:01:38,590 --> 01:01:35,090 Americans and then you know I mean I 1350 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:38,600 talked to so many different people and I 1351 01:01:45,940 --> 01:01:42,050 did talk to Jaime and everyone involved 1352 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:45,950 with with the may fifth presentation it 1353 01:01:50,770 --> 01:01:48,290 you know what I talk to Kurt and I knew 1354 01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:50,780 if I was going to do it a good interview 1355 01:01:54,610 --> 01:01:52,910 I had to have both sides of the story 1356 01:01:57,820 --> 01:01:54,620 because you know like we all know the 1357 01:02:03,400 --> 01:01:57,830 truth is somewhere in the middle I do 1358 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:03,410 feel that Jaime did not get involved 1359 01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:05,570 with this to deceive anybody 1360 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:09,160 that Tom and and Don approached him with 1361 01:02:16,060 --> 01:02:11,570 with something that they were genuinely 1362 01:02:19,330 --> 01:02:16,070 excited about and the ball got rolling 1363 01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,340 and that's what happened and there was I 1364 01:02:23,950 --> 01:02:21,440 will say that I watched I gonna sat back 1365 01:02:28,270 --> 01:02:23,960 and watch before the presentation there 1366 01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:28,280 was a very intense social media campaign 1367 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:30,520 that was taking place and a lot of it 1368 01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:34,250 was in in my opinion perhaps maybe a 1369 01:02:41,260 --> 01:02:37,670 little bit overzealous and unjustified 1370 01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,270 not not no time you know what I mean I I 1371 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:43,760 was following that too and and I think 1372 01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:47,690 that I think that even the people on 1373 01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:50,510 that side would agree with you because 1374 01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:52,520 there was a lot of talk like for 1375 01:02:58,990 --> 01:02:55,400 instance Kurt and I had a discussion you 1376 01:03:00,820 --> 01:02:59,000 know that it did get a little harsh a 1377 01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:00,830 little harsher than it needed to but I 1378 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:03,830 think people were really pissed off they 1379 01:03:11,770 --> 01:03:08,450 were they were angry that there wasn't 1380 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:11,780 real thorough research by a lot of 1381 01:03:16,750 --> 01:03:13,970 people that would really know what was 1382 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:16,760 going on or for instance you know this 1383 01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:19,490 whole thing about the plaque are not 1384 01:03:26,850 --> 01:03:23,870 being able to be be deciphered thirds 1385 01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:26,860 you know that that type of thing anyway 1386 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:29,240 Here I am I'm going back on my word I 1387 01:03:37,210 --> 01:03:34,130 hope the good though I mean there this 1388 01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,220 whole thing the whole debacle there 1389 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:39,200 there's so many lessons to learn and I 1390 01:03:44,530 --> 01:03:41,330 think there's still a lot of information 1391 01:03:46,810 --> 01:03:44,540 that hasn't been brought forth to me 1392 01:03:48,670 --> 01:03:46,820 when I've talked to the people that were 1393 01:03:52,060 --> 01:03:48,680 involved with the may 5th presentation 1394 01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:52,070 they feel that they did do a lot of 1395 01:03:57,790 --> 01:03:55,280 research from what I saw they did as 1396 01:04:00,760 --> 01:03:57,800 well and I think somewhere along the 1397 01:04:02,620 --> 01:04:00,770 line it got I don't know I don't know if 1398 01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:02,630 maybe the the fact that there were so 1399 01:04:07,810 --> 01:04:04,670 many problems with the broadcast 1400 01:04:09,610 --> 01:04:07,820 it wasn't broadcast in English and so 1401 01:04:13,660 --> 01:04:09,620 there was something that was definitely 1402 01:04:15,610 --> 01:04:13,670 lost in translation there it was but I 1403 01:04:18,310 --> 01:04:15,620 think that at some point in time the 1404 01:04:19,259 --> 01:04:18,320 there was so much momentum going that it 1405 01:04:21,989 --> 01:04:19,269 wouldn't have mattered 1406 01:04:24,329 --> 01:04:21,999 how much research was presented that was 1407 01:04:29,459 --> 01:04:24,339 credible because somebody was going to 1408 01:04:32,969 --> 01:04:29,469 go down right well okay so one of my 1409 01:04:36,539 --> 01:04:32,979 listeners reminded me to stop talking 1410 01:04:38,819 --> 01:04:36,549 about it but it is it is I I do want to 1411 01:04:41,819 --> 01:04:38,829 say this in closing about the subject is 1412 01:04:43,439 --> 01:04:41,829 that I think it was George Knapp I'm 1413 01:04:46,169 --> 01:04:43,449 pretty sure is the one who said that 1414 01:04:48,899 --> 01:04:46,179 ufology took care of itself and it 1415 01:04:50,579 --> 01:04:48,909 really that it really is you know I mean 1416 01:04:54,659 --> 01:04:50,589 there were people that really really 1417 01:04:56,729 --> 01:04:54,669 went hard to work on this and you know I 1418 01:04:59,099 --> 01:04:56,739 I think that was an honorable thing for 1419 01:05:00,209 --> 01:04:59,109 them to do yes there was some bashing 1420 01:05:03,539 --> 01:05:00,219 but still there were some people that 1421 01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:03,549 did some honest-to-goodness work to try 1422 01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:05,169 to figure out what this thing was and 1423 01:05:10,739 --> 01:05:07,630 you know I I have to tell you right off 1424 01:05:14,669 --> 01:05:10,749 the bat the very first instant I saw 1425 01:05:16,469 --> 01:05:14,679 that I thought it was a mummy you know I 1426 01:05:18,959 --> 01:05:16,479 mean it just and I think there was this 1427 01:05:21,419 --> 01:05:18,969 got to be a lot of people that felt the 1428 01:05:23,069 --> 01:05:21,429 same way and I've done a lot of Museum 1429 01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:23,079 work and right away I started looking at 1430 01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:25,569 other elements and you know right away I 1431 01:05:29,699 --> 01:05:27,849 just I thought it was something in a 1432 01:05:31,379 --> 01:05:29,709 museum there's not going to be something 1433 01:05:34,169 --> 01:05:31,389 encapsulated in something with the 1434 01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:34,179 adjustable shelves and glass you know 1435 01:05:42,509 --> 01:05:37,359 like museum showcase and anyway alright 1436 01:05:47,759 --> 01:05:42,519 I'm done and how about those Cubs I know 1437 01:05:53,579 --> 01:05:47,769 yeah yeah baseball yeah yeah how's the 1438 01:05:56,009 --> 01:05:53,589 weather is it good well yes so but 1439 01:05:57,989 --> 01:05:56,019 anyway I have you known getting back to 1440 01:05:59,459 --> 01:05:57,999 just a little bit around the edge of 1441 01:06:02,759 --> 01:05:59,469 that have you known Jaime for a long 1442 01:06:05,009 --> 01:06:02,769 time I first actually got involved with 1443 01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:05,019 Jaime and this is kind of a funny story 1444 01:06:11,489 --> 01:06:08,049 I was contacted by mu phone's executive 1445 01:06:14,939 --> 01:06:11,499 director and Jaime had said hey we I 1446 01:06:17,219 --> 01:06:14,949 found this great video of these orbs 1447 01:06:18,839 --> 01:06:17,229 over Salt Lake and I wanted to do an 1448 01:06:20,839 --> 01:06:18,849 interview with your state director and 1449 01:06:23,879 --> 01:06:20,849 see what she knows about the topic and 1450 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:23,889 the video that the executive director 1451 01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:28,119 said me was one of mine posted on 1452 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:30,249 YouTube but it was just it was just kind 1453 01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:32,650 of funny the way it worked out but so I 1454 01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:36,670 worked with with Jaime and he got me in 1455 01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:38,680 touch with some people here in Utah and 1456 01:06:45,569 --> 01:06:42,670 then did a few segments with regards to 1457 01:06:48,779 --> 01:06:45,579 the sightings that we had had here which 1458 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:48,789 was you know credits that's great that's 1459 01:06:52,769 --> 01:06:51,010 helpful to me I know what I filmed I 1460 01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:52,779 know what I saw and what other people 1461 01:07:00,240 --> 01:06:56,500 have seen and so that was I really 1462 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:00,250 appreciated him for for doing that right 1463 01:07:05,970 --> 01:07:03,490 now I I tried to get him on oh I don't 1464 01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:05,980 know maybe a year or so ago because I 1465 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:07,859 was really fascinated in some of the 1466 01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:11,770 Mexico sightings that happened you know 1467 01:07:17,099 --> 01:07:14,380 like for instance during the solar 1468 01:07:18,329 --> 01:07:17,109 eclipse you know that that some people 1469 01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:18,339 are saying it's Venus but I don't know 1470 01:07:23,309 --> 01:07:21,700 what it was but it was they were seen 1471 01:07:25,319 --> 01:07:23,319 all over the place and and really 1472 01:07:27,870 --> 01:07:25,329 interesting and I did try to get him on 1473 01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:27,880 the show and I had a connection at one 1474 01:07:34,890 --> 01:07:30,910 time with him but it just it never went 1475 01:07:40,019 --> 01:07:34,900 anywhere you know he's a fascinating man 1476 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:40,029 but I don't I don't know without me 1477 01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:41,859 getting back into the slides I'm gonna 1478 01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:44,799 move on to another subject well I think 1479 01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,440 you know just without you know talking 1480 01:07:52,500 --> 01:07:49,359 about the slides but I will say just 1481 01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,510 with regards to Jaime you know I my 1482 01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:54,880 experiences with him have been positive 1483 01:08:02,160 --> 01:07:57,609 and I I know several people that have 1484 01:08:04,769 --> 01:08:02,170 grown up in Mexico and they remember him 1485 01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:04,779 as a child being on the air and talking 1486 01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:08,680 about this subject and so that's that's 1487 01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:10,329 always a great thing anything that can 1488 01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,270 build awareness and make the UFO 1489 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:14,799 phenomena something that is more 1490 01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:17,409 acceptable for people to talk about to 1491 01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:20,859 me that is is a very important part of 1492 01:08:26,669 --> 01:08:23,020 getting the mainstream scientific 1493 01:08:30,059 --> 01:08:26,679 community to research this I do agree I 1494 01:08:33,149 --> 01:08:30,069 and and I've seen many times another 1495 01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:33,159 side of that when someone is involved 1496 01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:36,130 and then somewhere along the line there 1497 01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:41,500 there's a turn taken or perhaps a story 1498 01:08:46,690 --> 01:08:45,040 is revealed that one of their main 1499 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:46,700 things they've been researching for you 1500 01:08:52,190 --> 01:08:49,770 ends up you know not being so or 1501 01:08:55,190 --> 01:08:52,200 debunked or another explanation is given 1502 01:08:57,980 --> 01:08:55,200 and they stay hard fast I've seen this 1503 01:08:59,780 --> 01:08:57,990 happened a number of times and and I I 1504 01:09:03,500 --> 01:08:59,790 don't think you know I'd be really 1505 01:09:06,860 --> 01:09:03,510 really shocked if if he changed his tack 1506 01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:06,870 on this whole situation right yeah I 1507 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:10,020 know you're you're being diplomatic and 1508 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:13,290 I've already been told to stop talking 1509 01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:15,690 about it on the chat room by someone 1510 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:16,560 leave you alone 1511 01:09:23,650 --> 01:09:20,610 so and I will so we'll move on out there 1512 01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:23,660 other people that you talk with 1513 01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:27,480 regularly like in the field you know I 1514 01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:30,900 talked with Robert Powell from from 1515 01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:33,960 MUFON who's that the chief are a head of 1516 01:09:37,730 --> 01:09:35,640 the scientific review board 1517 01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:37,740 I talked with Jan horizon-- our 1518 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:40,140 executive director several times a week 1519 01:09:47,570 --> 01:09:44,250 and he's a really fantastic man with 1520 01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:47,580 amazing experience I talked to Ben Moss 1521 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:50,520 who is a great friend of mine he was on 1522 01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,290 hangar 1 gosh and Ron Regehr I thought 1523 01:10:03,230 --> 01:09:57,120 just quite a bit I know you were 1524 01:10:07,550 --> 01:10:03,240 mentioning Ben moss I met him in Phoenix 1525 01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:07,560 last year and really liked him and he is 1526 01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:11,820 the one who really inspired me to make 1527 01:10:17,410 --> 01:10:14,280 sure that I was going to go to Rae 1528 01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:17,420 Stanford's house which I plan on doing 1529 01:10:22,340 --> 01:10:19,980 possibly even next week I'm going to try 1530 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:22,350 to go down there and do a live show from 1531 01:10:28,430 --> 01:10:26,250 Ray's house down in Maryland so I hope 1532 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:28,440 that we posted yeah that is fantastic 1533 01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,570 Ben has worked so hard on on that and 1534 01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:34,800 forging a relationship with Ray that 1535 01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:38,820 that's really really neat yeah so I did 1536 01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:45,060 meet him and anyway let's see so you 1537 01:10:49,850 --> 01:10:47,310 speak to all those people now you 1538 01:10:52,970 --> 01:10:49,860 mentioned just a minute ago that one of 1539 01:10:55,550 --> 01:10:52,980 them was on the scientific review board 1540 01:10:59,240 --> 01:10:55,560 can you tell us what that is 1541 01:11:00,180 --> 01:10:59,250 exactly so the MUFON has not the 1542 01:11:02,189 --> 01:11:00,190 abduction research 1543 01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:02,199 team we have the scientific review board 1544 01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,680 and we have you know Robert Powell is 1545 01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:07,600 that the head of a scientific review 1546 01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:10,300 board and so he and his team and their 1547 01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:12,160 people on the review board from all over 1548 01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:15,310 the world really that the information 1549 01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:18,880 coming in and and they analyze cases 1550 01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:22,000 Robert specifically to find it to look 1551 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:26,110 at the top cases and then they you know 1552 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:27,760 they were there working with us with the 1553 01:11:32,939 --> 01:11:29,890 the project orange and the research that 1554 01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:32,949 we're doing they've written in fact if 1555 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:34,660 you go to move the MUFON website you'll 1556 01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:37,330 see different papers that have been 1557 01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:39,340 written by the scientific review board 1558 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:41,320 it they're amazing 1559 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:43,810 individuals and it's really the 1560 01:11:50,130 --> 01:11:47,980 foundation of a MUFON speaking of that I 1561 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:50,140 mentioned a number of different shows 1562 01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:54,730 here about Mark Dantonio he's a the 1563 01:12:03,120 --> 01:11:58,300 MUFON video photo analysts great guy I 1564 01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:03,130 consider him a friend recently as the 1565 01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,840 past listener has known I've been 1566 01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:06,880 talking about him having you know he had 1567 01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:09,580 a serious heart problem and he's been in 1568 01:12:13,229 --> 01:12:11,320 the hospital I believe he still is but 1569 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:13,239 he actually did a posting on Facebook 1570 01:12:18,930 --> 01:12:16,210 the other day which made me feel great 1571 01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:18,940 that he is on the road to recovery well 1572 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:21,040 that's good I don't know if you've ever 1573 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:22,330 worked with Mark but he's a great guy 1574 01:12:29,870 --> 01:12:25,690 you know what he is I have talked to him 1575 01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:29,880 many times he is a love I really say 1576 01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:33,940 he's been so kind and helpful he's 1577 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:37,900 amazing at what he does and I that that 1578 01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:40,090 sums up a lot of relationships with 1579 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:42,190 people in MUFON I really feel like I 1580 01:12:46,140 --> 01:12:44,530 have met people that I will be friends 1581 01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:46,150 with for the rest of my life they're 1582 01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:48,489 they're incredible all right now I'm 1583 01:12:51,810 --> 01:12:50,230 gonna go a little conspiratorial on you 1584 01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:51,820 before I wither the question I'm going 1585 01:12:57,740 --> 01:12:53,080 to ask in just second on the message 1586 01:13:02,250 --> 01:12:57,750 board but some people claim that MUFON 1587 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:02,260 is as a disinformation or part of it is 1588 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:06,730 and corrupt now I'm not laughing at that 1589 01:13:13,229 --> 01:13:09,370 statement really I'm just as maybe it's 1590 01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:13,239 nervous laugh laughing but now do you 1591 01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:14,020 hear that 1592 01:13:21,150 --> 01:13:17,560 oh sure oh yeah you know in fact I'm I'm 1593 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:21,160 from Utah so I am you know I'm taking up 1594 01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:25,090 where Elaine Douglass left off so yeah 1595 01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:28,240 there's definitely the rumblings of 1596 01:13:33,930 --> 01:13:30,520 people that have been unhappy with MUFON 1597 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:33,940 and you'll always get the conspiracy at 1598 01:13:39,090 --> 01:13:36,970 the end who knows if there are people 1599 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:39,100 inside the organization that are 1600 01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:41,650 disinformation agents it's entirely 1601 01:13:47,150 --> 01:13:43,600 possible the thing I'm learning about 1602 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:47,160 this field is you just you never know 1603 01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:50,770 that's right but I do think that MUFON 1604 01:13:55,980 --> 01:13:52,510 as a whole has gone through a lot of 1605 01:14:00,330 --> 01:13:55,990 changes most all of them are positive 1606 01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:00,340 and so hopefully that will dispel any of 1607 01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:03,760 the the negative negativity focused on 1608 01:14:11,370 --> 01:14:07,960 MUFON okay now Ken on the message board 1609 01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:11,380 can you explain or talk more about any 1610 01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:13,620 Native American insight 1611 01:14:20,610 --> 01:14:16,630 you know I that is something that I am 1612 01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,620 really trying hard to look into with the 1613 01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:22,960 help of my friend who is the the Native 1614 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:25,180 American historian he was up at the 1615 01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:26,770 University of Utah for a long long time 1616 01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:29,500 and he's in as his early 80s 1617 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:32,680 he's given me all of these amazing books 1618 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:37,810 about skinwalkers and about their oral 1619 01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:40,570 traditions on on things and so I'm 1620 01:14:45,330 --> 01:14:43,030 reading those and I'm hoping that by 1621 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:45,340 doing that becoming more familiar with 1622 01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:48,130 the Native American culture that will 1623 01:14:56,190 --> 01:14:50,530 give me greater understanding but then I 1624 01:14:58,380 --> 01:14:56,200 can also try to forge friendships you 1625 01:15:01,620 --> 01:14:58,390 know respectful relations where I can 1626 01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:01,630 learn things and help them and and just 1627 01:15:06,750 --> 01:15:03,880 I think there's just so much to know and 1628 01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:06,760 we have you know they're in a position 1629 01:15:12,210 --> 01:15:09,540 where I think they're pretty closed off 1630 01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,220 perhaps this is what I understand and I 1631 01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:15,040 think I not I'll blame blame them and I 1632 01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:19,060 I think as long as I can hopefully prove 1633 01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:21,340 that I'm respectful and I really 1634 01:15:25,470 --> 01:15:23,200 honestly care and want to learn as much 1635 01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,480 as I can about their culture it's it's 1636 01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:27,120 beautiful it's fascinating 1637 01:15:31,620 --> 01:15:29,470 right and you hear a lot of times 1638 01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:31,630 they'll talk about you know the star 1639 01:15:36,330 --> 01:15:34,150 people and you know traditions oral 1640 01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:36,340 traditions that have come down for 1641 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:39,760 generation after generation and also you 1642 01:15:45,180 --> 01:15:43,090 know in you know south of you Arizona 1643 01:15:47,940 --> 01:15:45,190 you know there's a lot of drawings on 1644 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:47,950 rocks early drawings that are pretty 1645 01:15:53,250 --> 01:15:51,010 interesting in the Hopi area there are 1646 01:15:56,430 --> 01:15:53,260 and there are some in in southern Utah 1647 01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:56,440 as well so it's it oh my gosh it's like 1648 01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:57,970 you go down this rabbit hole and there's 1649 01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,360 so many directions you could go being in 1650 01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:04,000 Utah the Native American culture is is 1651 01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:06,910 incredibly important skinwalker ranch is 1652 01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:09,760 actually situated in an area where you 1653 01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:14,350 have a ute tribe and the or a oil fields 1654 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:17,380 are on that Native American land there 1655 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:19,530 are lots and lots of sightings up there 1656 01:16:24,930 --> 01:16:23,050 so is there a connection between that I 1657 01:16:26,150 --> 01:16:24,940 don't I don't know but I would sure like 1658 01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:26,160 to find out and I'll keep you posted 1659 01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,780 okay now I saw in the message board you 1660 01:16:32,970 --> 01:16:30,400 actually answered someone but they were 1661 01:16:34,230 --> 01:16:32,980 asking what a skinwalker is and that is 1662 01:16:37,230 --> 01:16:34,240 actually a good question for the 1663 01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:37,240 listener out there so go ahead so a 1664 01:16:45,390 --> 01:16:42,310 skinwalker is is it it's a witch and not 1665 01:16:47,580 --> 01:16:45,400 necessarily it's not a good thing that 1666 01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:47,590 it is this entity that can shape-shift 1667 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:51,550 and typically from my understanding when 1668 01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:54,130 it when a skinwalker is around it is 1669 01:17:01,340 --> 01:16:57,520 never it's it's a it's a bad omen bad 1670 01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:01,350 things happen and they are you know just 1671 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:04,360 it's very its mysterious that like I 1672 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:05,770 said that something I'm learning more 1673 01:17:11,190 --> 01:17:08,650 about but they have been spotted and 1674 01:17:12,930 --> 01:17:11,200 they have their legends that they have 1675 01:17:17,370 --> 01:17:12,940 taken children in the middle of the 1676 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:17,380 night and so who knows but I did there 1677 01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:19,810 was a fellow I was just at the UFO 1678 01:17:26,220 --> 01:17:22,540 Congress down in Phoenix Arizona and 1679 01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:26,230 there's an artist who was there and he I 1680 01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:28,150 just talked with him for a while his 1681 01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:30,640 Native American he was telling me about 1682 01:17:36,410 --> 01:17:33,070 an experience that he had with a 1683 01:17:39,580 --> 01:17:36,420 skinwalker and he was out late at night 1684 01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:39,590 he said that he just felt this 1685 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:42,800 cold wind and this energy rushing to him 1686 01:17:47,770 --> 01:17:45,530 and the thoughts in his head were were 1687 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:47,780 you know you are gonna die are you ready 1688 01:17:52,450 --> 01:17:49,570 for this are you ready to see me and 1689 01:17:54,370 --> 01:17:52,460 this is what you you wanted and are you 1690 01:17:56,440 --> 01:17:54,380 going to are you willing to give up your 1691 01:17:58,810 --> 01:17:56,450 family you know so all of these 1692 01:18:03,880 --> 01:17:58,820 terrifying thoughts came and then he saw 1693 01:18:06,190 --> 01:18:03,890 this apparition and it was clearly it 1694 01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:06,200 was the most terrifying profound 1695 01:18:11,230 --> 01:18:08,210 experience he ever had in his life and 1696 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:11,240 he just said to me you know you really 1697 01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:13,370 if you want to go down that road and you 1698 01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:17,120 want to look into things like that you 1699 01:18:21,130 --> 01:18:19,400 better be prepared because this is 1700 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:21,140 something that we have no control over 1701 01:18:28,420 --> 01:18:25,130 and it's very it is it's not a good 1702 01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:28,430 positive thing okay someone wanted to 1703 01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:30,470 know if peyote plays into the permitir 1704 01:18:39,790 --> 01:18:34,640 skin mark I think peyote might play a 1705 01:18:41,650 --> 01:18:39,800 part and lots of things Sunnah it could 1706 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:41,660 but you know there he'd a skinwalker 1707 01:18:48,490 --> 01:18:45,650 ranch and the Uintah Basin is is a 1708 01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:48,500 paranormal as it is a hot spot there are 1709 01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:50,960 all sorts of things happening there so 1710 01:18:58,180 --> 01:18:55,540 you get the the UFOs you get bigfoot 1711 01:19:01,180 --> 01:18:58,190 shapeshifters you name it it is 1712 01:19:02,110 --> 01:19:01,190 happening there on strange creatures why 1713 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:02,120 I don't know 1714 01:19:08,830 --> 01:19:05,170 but I think when you start researching 1715 01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:08,840 things you realize that oftentimes this 1716 01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:12,220 phenomena might go hand in hand 1717 01:19:19,980 --> 01:19:15,590 mm-hmm yep there was talk about that I 1718 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:19,990 read the book I George Knapp and I have 1719 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:22,130 communicated a number of times and he's 1720 01:19:26,020 --> 01:19:24,290 just such a busy guy you know trying to 1721 01:19:29,050 --> 01:19:26,030 get him on the show to talk about that 1722 01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:29,060 and I'll even suggested you know we can 1723 01:19:33,940 --> 01:19:31,910 do a pre record anything to you know to 1724 01:19:35,860 --> 01:19:33,950 get him on I really want to get him on 1725 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:35,870 to talk about that what a fascinating 1726 01:19:41,530 --> 01:19:39,010 book that is and one of the things that 1727 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:41,540 struck me the most I don't know why but 1728 01:19:48,820 --> 01:19:45,050 it it does is when all the scientists 1729 01:19:50,710 --> 01:19:48,830 were there and they had their camera set 1730 01:19:52,700 --> 01:19:50,720 up and everything outside and all of a 1731 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:52,710 sudden they just saw this like 1732 01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,450 it looked like this hole appeared and 1733 01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:56,880 then to sink climbed out of it you know 1734 01:20:03,010 --> 01:19:59,610 I mean that that is like wow you know I 1735 01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,020 mean all these people witness that and 1736 01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:05,760 you know maybe I'm naive to think that 1737 01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:08,310 it it really happened when it may not 1738 01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:10,500 have happened but still though the whole 1739 01:20:16,910 --> 01:20:13,170 thing is fascinating another another 1740 01:20:18,770 --> 01:20:16,920 unanswered so to speak well I think 1741 01:20:22,340 --> 01:20:18,780 there's definitely a reason why Bigelow 1742 01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:22,350 bought that property and spent a lot of 1743 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:24,630 money with you know hiring the best 1744 01:20:31,190 --> 01:20:28,890 scientists and bodyguards security to go 1745 01:20:32,290 --> 01:20:31,200 in there and study stuff and he's not at 1746 01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:32,300 he's a very smart man 1747 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:35,940 there was a reason and I have a friend 1748 01:20:41,870 --> 01:20:39,930 whose name is Ryan burns he lives in the 1749 01:20:46,510 --> 01:20:41,880 property that is very very close to 1750 01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:46,520 skinwalker ranch and has seen very 1751 01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:49,040 amazing things I mean we're talking 1752 01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:52,170 strange creatures objects you know 1753 01:20:59,180 --> 01:20:56,610 portals almost opening up and he's also 1754 01:21:01,400 --> 01:20:59,190 had an experience and I saw the slides 1755 01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:01,410 when he was at a MUFON meeting a while 1756 01:21:10,459 --> 01:21:07,320 back of men men in black men in suits on 1757 01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,469 his property with equipment doing 1758 01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:12,719 something it was pretty pretty 1759 01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:15,900 interesting pretty intriguing my I have 1760 01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:18,300 a friend is the person that contact up 1761 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:21,060 there that will keep me updated a couple 1762 01:21:25,340 --> 01:21:22,890 times a month and there's been a lot of 1763 01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:25,350 military activity up there as of late 1764 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:28,980 and then the UFO activity also seems to 1765 01:21:35,959 --> 01:21:31,770 be increasing from the reports I'm 1766 01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:35,969 getting up that way well you know when 1767 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:38,280 when Phil when the person in the message 1768 01:21:43,490 --> 01:21:39,930 board was asking about the peyote he was 1769 01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:43,500 actually seriously wasn't doing it you 1770 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:45,900 know to be funny or anything like that 1771 01:21:55,070 --> 01:21:49,410 because now that's a cactus or something 1772 01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:55,080 you know but it's been used for I think 1773 01:22:03,080 --> 01:21:57,510 a long you know many many hundreds of 1774 01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,090 years if not longer but I don't really 1775 01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:05,280 know much about it do you 1776 01:22:13,810 --> 01:22:09,449 you know I know that it is very sacred 1777 01:22:17,629 --> 01:22:13,820 and it's it opens up a part of your 1778 01:22:20,029 --> 01:22:17,639 subconscious add too many profound 1779 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:20,039 experiences I have a friend that went 1780 01:22:26,689 --> 01:22:22,650 down to South America to meet with the 1781 01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:26,699 medicine man and had oh my gosh and I 1782 01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,679 wish I could remember the name Hiawatha 1783 01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:30,900 Iowa I can't remember the name but they 1784 01:22:36,979 --> 01:22:33,960 went deep into the jungle and then took 1785 01:22:40,129 --> 01:22:36,989 this substance and were gravely ill for 1786 01:22:44,959 --> 01:22:40,139 a couple days just vomiting but then had 1787 01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:44,969 these experiences that were just amazing 1788 01:22:53,169 --> 01:22:48,289 and she felt that it was allowing her to 1789 01:22:55,459 --> 01:22:53,179 transcend different dimensions Wow 1790 01:22:58,669 --> 01:22:55,469 someone was asking more about the portal 1791 01:23:00,469 --> 01:22:58,679 on the message board and you know that 1792 01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:00,479 that was the thing that came up there 1793 01:23:07,969 --> 01:23:04,170 and I have heard that in the past you 1794 01:23:10,459 --> 01:23:07,979 know about different like events like 1795 01:23:12,140 --> 01:23:10,469 I'm not sure if it's a UFO but you know 1796 01:23:15,339 --> 01:23:12,150 a lot of times it would almost make 1797 01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:15,349 sense the way they appear and disappear 1798 01:23:21,319 --> 01:23:18,210 you know like who knows the end of a 1799 01:23:24,370 --> 01:23:21,329 wormhole I'm really going out there you 1800 01:23:28,189 --> 01:23:24,380 know tonight but I I 1801 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:28,199 unexplained it is but if you you know 1802 01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:30,449 when that's part of the thing that I'm 1803 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:33,210 trying to look into is where are these 1804 01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:36,090 objects appearing they appear in 1805 01:23:44,419 --> 01:23:40,800 specific places lots of studies with the 1806 01:23:46,489 --> 01:23:44,429 MUFON project Orange lots of you know 1807 01:23:49,060 --> 01:23:46,499 going through the database back east 1808 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:49,070 they're appearing near bodies of water 1809 01:23:55,580 --> 01:23:51,690 so are they coming in and out of these 1810 01:23:58,189 --> 01:23:55,590 bodies of water they who knows but that 1811 01:24:02,870 --> 01:23:58,199 the sightings clusters are pointing to 1812 01:24:06,609 --> 01:24:02,880 something in that specific area right we 1813 01:24:09,589 --> 01:24:06,619 will see it I believe that perhaps maybe 1814 01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:09,599 something is happening with lay liens 1815 01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:11,400 gravitational anomalies there's 1816 01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:15,239 something that yeah I don't I don't know 1817 01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:16,710 but I were to let you know because I've 1818 01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:18,640 got so many puzzles too 1819 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:21,940 so many riddles to solve and well it 1820 01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:24,010 really keeps up you know this whole type 1821 01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:27,580 of thing it really keeps me really 1822 01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:29,440 interested in the subject because it's 1823 01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:33,310 just you know the more you look into it 1824 01:24:39,180 --> 01:24:37,180 the more questions there are and I don't 1825 01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:39,190 think that we're really going to know 1826 01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:42,270 the answer anytime soon and if we do 1827 01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:45,160 know the answers it'll only be to some 1828 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:47,110 of the things and for instance if we 1829 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:49,450 know what you vote UFOs really are if 1830 01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:51,850 they really are extraterrestrial which I 1831 01:24:58,410 --> 01:24:54,280 believe makes more sense than most of 1832 01:25:00,600 --> 01:24:58,420 anything else but there are still so 1833 01:25:03,630 --> 01:25:00,610 many unanswered things that go on 1834 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:03,640 besides that you know there are and I 1835 01:25:09,660 --> 01:25:06,610 think we are never gonna find out the 1836 01:25:12,780 --> 01:25:09,670 answers if we spend it if we waste a lot 1837 01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:12,790 of time deciding whether this you know 1838 01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:15,370 our do UFOs exist I think we ought to 1839 01:25:20,730 --> 01:25:17,320 just say yes and move on with it like I 1840 01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:20,740 was saying earlier we have ample 1841 01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:24,510 evidence so we need to be proactive and 1842 01:25:31,500 --> 01:25:29,620 really figure out why where how and quit 1843 01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:31,510 debating each other and work together 1844 01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:34,960 this is is vital because if something 1845 01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:38,590 was happening it well it is but it needs 1846 01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:43,020 to we don't know what any intentions are 1847 01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:47,650 hmm and we need to just maybe think 1848 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:49,690 about a lot of different things and 1849 01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:53,530 prepare that's right you know I mean of 1850 01:25:59,490 --> 01:25:55,030 course you know you hear over and over 1851 01:26:01,920 --> 01:25:59,500 again if if they were malevolent then we 1852 01:26:06,090 --> 01:26:01,930 would certainly know by now we could 1853 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:06,100 certainly be destroyed many times well 1854 01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:07,930 that's what we would like to hope that 1855 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:11,620 would be good and I mean I I gosh every 1856 01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:13,450 day is a new day for me and with that 1857 01:26:19,290 --> 01:26:16,180 regard some days I think everything is 1858 01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:19,300 happy and we're living in in a world 1859 01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:23,680 where we can all communicate and there's 1860 01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:26,170 nothing you know malevolent going on but 1861 01:26:31,930 --> 01:26:28,590 the bottom line is we just don't know 1862 01:26:35,890 --> 01:26:31,940 that's right we really need to be 1863 01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:35,900 either way that's right and you know 1864 01:26:42,580 --> 01:26:38,870 there I did a pre record that's coming 1865 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:42,590 up with a gentleman and Amsterdam and 1866 01:26:48,820 --> 01:26:47,210 Dame Gerrard aartsen and the thing that 1867 01:26:52,150 --> 01:26:48,830 we'll be talking about in that show is 1868 01:26:55,770 --> 01:26:52,160 when that does air eventually is you 1869 01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:55,780 know he he thinks that they are peace 1870 01:27:01,240 --> 01:26:58,400 peace-loving and trying to keep us from 1871 01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:01,250 destroying ourselves and that does you 1872 01:27:05,740 --> 01:27:03,260 know there is a theme of that you do 1873 01:27:09,490 --> 01:27:05,750 hear about different circumstances you 1874 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:09,500 do and I for me when I had experiences 1875 01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:12,530 with the objects I saw I felt very 1876 01:27:16,450 --> 01:27:13,250 connected 1877 01:27:17,229 --> 01:27:16,460 I felt whatever it was was quite 1878 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:17,239 benevolent 1879 01:27:23,380 --> 01:27:20,330 and I I those were my impressions 1880 01:27:27,340 --> 01:27:23,390 whether that's the case I have no clue 1881 01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,350 but I you know even even abductees or 1882 01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:29,840 experiencers at first these events are 1883 01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:32,590 incredibly traumatizing but then as 1884 01:27:38,050 --> 01:27:35,840 their life unfolds and they learn more 1885 01:27:43,540 --> 01:27:38,060 they learn that these beings are really 1886 01:27:46,030 --> 01:27:43,550 here to to help the planet right let's 1887 01:27:49,630 --> 01:27:46,040 you know that's I don't know we just we 1888 01:27:51,790 --> 01:27:49,640 know so little right yep you know a 1889 01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:51,800 number of number of things you hear 1890 01:28:00,130 --> 01:27:56,060 about kind of dovetail that you know of 1891 01:28:04,510 --> 01:28:00,140 people seeing visions and you know I go 1892 01:28:07,959 --> 01:28:04,520 back to the I want to say Papua New 1893 01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:07,969 Guinea or I know it was in Africa of all 1894 01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:10,489 those school children what they were 1895 01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:12,710 seeing and what they were feeling you 1896 01:28:16,750 --> 01:28:14,290 know as more feelings than anything else 1897 01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:16,760 it was what are you talking about with 1898 01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:19,310 the John Mac yes 1899 01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:23,120 dr. Mac that was incredible and when 1900 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:26,290 speaking of what what a brilliant man 1901 01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:31,370 very brave researcher oh yes absolutely 1902 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:35,420 and too bad he left us early that was 1903 01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,170 interesting it was sad and he he really 1904 01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:42,080 was he just did so much and it was 1905 01:28:49,149 --> 01:28:45,110 really sad and Budd Hopkins as well 1906 01:28:51,010 --> 01:28:49,159 right right yeah interesting let's see 1907 01:28:53,770 --> 01:28:51,020 so again if you're listening live you 1908 01:28:55,959 --> 01:28:53,780 can jump over to our chat room and pose 1909 01:28:57,490 --> 01:28:55,969 a question and I'll give the number out 1910 01:29:01,330 --> 01:28:57,500 one more time if you'd like to call in 1911 01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:01,340 six oh three nine six seven four OH 1912 01:29:10,540 --> 01:29:06,800 three oh and did have you ever thought I 1913 01:29:13,660 --> 01:29:10,550 know you you read books but I always 1914 01:29:14,919 --> 01:29:13,670 every once in a while I think - there's 1915 01:29:18,879 --> 01:29:14,929 someone like you think about ever 1916 01:29:21,359 --> 01:29:18,889 writing anything it's funny because I 1917 01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:21,369 actually would love to write and I 1918 01:29:26,590 --> 01:29:24,290 that's another creative outlet for me 1919 01:29:28,959 --> 01:29:26,600 and since I'm not doing as much singing 1920 01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:28,969 I'm not performing anymore that I think 1921 01:29:33,310 --> 01:29:31,670 that would be wonderful and I have you 1922 01:29:35,859 --> 01:29:33,320 know I've written a lot of songs and 1923 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:35,869 done things like that but I've had if I 1924 01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:39,010 was talking to Nick Redfern actually and 1925 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:43,730 he was encouraging me to to do that and 1926 01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:46,250 said he would help me and and and so 1927 01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:48,650 actually Richard Dolan and I have had 1928 01:29:53,109 --> 01:29:50,480 conversations about that as well so I 1929 01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:53,119 have all of these great people that are 1930 01:29:59,320 --> 01:29:57,199 brilliant and will help me do that and 1931 01:30:01,540 --> 01:29:59,330 and I'm feel very lucky so perhaps 1932 01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:01,550 you'll see something it might be a 1933 01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:04,489 picture book two pages yeah you said you 1934 01:30:12,430 --> 01:30:10,489 were artistic so I don't know about that 1935 01:30:15,729 --> 01:30:12,440 I try I'm actually trying to do a 1936 01:30:18,370 --> 01:30:15,739 portrait right now and that is kind of 1937 01:30:21,490 --> 01:30:18,380 scary I think maybe I have a great art 1938 01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:21,500 for for doing portraits of alien man 1939 01:30:27,729 --> 01:30:25,520 babies there I don't know that happens 1940 01:30:30,750 --> 01:30:27,739 and and you didn't it didn't start out 1941 01:30:33,700 --> 01:30:30,760 that way I like it not really no nope 1942 01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:33,710 one of the things up I'd noticed about 1943 01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:36,230 Nick Redfern as he puts out a ton of 1944 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:39,199 books and I can never understand how 1945 01:30:44,859 --> 01:30:42,290 people can be so prolific and and their 1946 01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:44,869 work like that it's amazing and how to 1947 01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:49,690 come up with a fresh new idea or story 1948 01:30:54,189 --> 01:30:52,159 I've had him on a couple times I'm sure 1949 01:30:58,290 --> 01:30:54,199 you're going to have him on hope to have 1950 01:31:01,510 --> 01:30:58,300 him on again he's he's a really neat 1951 01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:01,520 and I he I don't know how he does it 1952 01:31:07,180 --> 01:31:04,730 either because my lord he has done a lot 1953 01:31:10,150 --> 01:31:07,190 of things in fact he just was kind 1954 01:31:12,220 --> 01:31:10,160 enough to send me his new book and and 1955 01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:12,230 we will he is going to be on the show 1956 01:31:18,730 --> 01:31:15,290 in the middle of August so we'll talk 1957 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:18,740 about that now if I remember your radio 1958 01:31:23,890 --> 01:31:21,290 station I may have it confused with 1959 01:31:28,150 --> 01:31:23,900 another one but will they allow you to 1960 01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:28,160 do a podcast out of that you know that 1961 01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:30,110 is something I just need to look into 1962 01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:32,090 but what what I'm planning on doing and 1963 01:31:38,230 --> 01:31:34,400 if I am I've got the green light for 1964 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:38,240 this is doing and I will be doing videos 1965 01:31:44,050 --> 01:31:41,570 of my interviews so you'll be able to 1966 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:44,060 you know do a little screen capture and 1967 01:31:48,820 --> 01:31:46,490 you can see both parties communicating 1968 01:31:51,610 --> 01:31:48,830 and then I'll I have videos as well that 1969 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:51,620 I've done at different events and I've 1970 01:31:58,690 --> 01:31:54,250 got a great interview with Steve Bassett 1971 01:32:01,800 --> 01:31:58,700 Nick Redfern Lynn khatai and those will 1972 01:32:04,900 --> 01:32:01,810 be on my website the UFO audit as well 1973 01:32:06,130 --> 01:32:04,910 you know I I tried to I actually thought 1974 01:32:09,060 --> 01:32:06,140 of doing what you're talking about like 1975 01:32:12,910 --> 01:32:09,070 a screen capture type thing and it just 1976 01:32:15,220 --> 01:32:12,920 with what we are doing here it's some 1977 01:32:17,410 --> 01:32:15,230 audio is just the real important part of 1978 01:32:21,370 --> 01:32:17,420 it so I'm probably not going to do that 1979 01:32:24,820 --> 01:32:21,380 and I did I did note that I would do a 1980 01:32:26,740 --> 01:32:24,830 Google hangout with people and I tried a 1981 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:26,750 Google hangout once on the show in it 1982 01:32:30,340 --> 01:32:28,610 there's a little bit of lag I don't know 1983 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:30,350 if you've ever tried any of that but no 1984 01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:35,690 yeah so I be a little bit cautious okay 1985 01:32:41,130 --> 01:32:38,510 so moving ahead 1986 01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:41,140 no questions up on the message board so 1987 01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:45,280 what would be a good topic to talk about 1988 01:32:55,540 --> 01:32:48,560 well I think Peggy was talking about a 1989 01:32:58,660 --> 01:32:55,550 good UFO story okay yeah so I have I had 1990 01:32:59,920 --> 01:32:58,670 a lady who called in the other day she 1991 01:33:03,610 --> 01:32:59,930 lives in southern Utah 1992 01:33:04,210 --> 01:33:03,620 she filed a report and she was you know 1993 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:04,220 just a 1994 01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:08,530 I mean she's about my age just watching 1995 01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:10,880 just watching the events outside 1996 01:33:16,150 --> 01:33:12,170 hanging out talking to her sister on the 1997 01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:16,160 phone and she notices this white pulsing 1998 01:33:21,850 --> 01:33:18,650 sphere outside of her house and then she 1999 01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:21,860 sees a helicopter that is just not 2000 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:24,650 moving and this helicopter is observing 2001 01:33:31,780 --> 01:33:27,770 this object as it's moving and kind of 2002 01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:31,790 churning and bubbling and she was you 2003 01:33:34,420 --> 01:33:33,170 know she told her sister I've got to get 2004 01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,430 off the phone now this is something 2005 01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:37,040 really incredible is happening and the 2006 01:33:42,730 --> 01:33:40,310 helicopter observed the object for some 2007 01:33:45,940 --> 01:33:42,740 time and she said the orb appeared to 2008 01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:45,950 almost fold into itself and then was 2009 01:33:53,260 --> 01:33:49,520 just gone so after talking with her I 2010 01:33:57,550 --> 01:33:53,270 realized we both realized and we started 2011 01:34:00,160 --> 01:33:57,560 talking about the orb phenomena and she 2012 01:34:02,860 --> 01:34:00,170 lived in Salt Lake and told me about two 2013 01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:02,870 other instances one specifically where 2014 01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:07,250 she was on a freeway on-ramp and two of 2015 01:34:13,630 --> 01:34:11,030 these orange orbs were a couple hundred 2016 01:34:16,210 --> 01:34:13,640 feet away from her car and they 2017 01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,220 basically they would the freeway traffic 2018 01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:18,560 on the on-ramp was stopped and people 2019 01:34:22,180 --> 01:34:20,810 were hanging out of the car looking at 2020 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:22,190 these objects 2021 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:25,850 she said the light and the color and the 2022 01:34:30,670 --> 01:34:28,090 energy coming off of these objects was 2023 01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:30,680 intense and unlike anything she'd ever 2024 01:34:36,430 --> 01:34:33,920 seen and she just watched these objects 2025 01:34:40,510 --> 01:34:36,440 moved together move apart move around 2026 01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:40,520 each other it was really quite a 2027 01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:43,570 phenomenal experience for her now 2028 01:34:49,060 --> 01:34:47,080 getting these orbs you know we we've 2029 01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:49,070 discussed some quite a bit in the show 2030 01:34:55,780 --> 01:34:52,610 so far and one of the things when I was 2031 01:34:57,250 --> 01:34:55,790 talking with Terry way way back when he 2032 01:35:00,580 --> 01:34:57,260 was saying you know that he watched 2033 01:35:02,290 --> 01:35:00,590 these orbs have the same sort of I guess 2034 01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:02,300 you'd call flight pattern or a pattern 2035 01:35:06,660 --> 01:35:04,400 and that's kind of what you were seeing 2036 01:35:11,380 --> 01:35:06,670 earlier but someone on the message board 2037 01:35:13,420 --> 01:35:11,390 wanted to know if if those if that 2038 01:35:15,820 --> 01:35:13,430 sighting was close to you like was there 2039 01:35:18,540 --> 01:35:15,830 a long distance and did you have any 2040 01:35:22,060 --> 01:35:18,550 fear when you actually saw these things 2041 01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:22,070 you know I didn't have fear I'd had just 2042 01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:24,050 an amazing sense 2043 01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:27,770 of you it was beautiful it took my 2044 01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:31,489 breath away and somehow I felt very 2045 01:35:36,430 --> 01:35:33,920 connected to what was going on and it 2046 01:35:40,299 --> 01:35:36,440 was almost as if you know this object 2047 01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:40,309 was saying okay Here I am 2048 01:35:48,910 --> 01:35:44,800 I had another you know during this 2013 2049 01:35:51,939 --> 01:35:48,920 summer I had other events and one 2050 01:35:55,209 --> 01:35:51,949 specifically where I was driving home on 2051 01:35:58,839 --> 01:35:55,219 the freeway and I looked up on the hill 2052 01:36:02,229 --> 01:35:58,849 close to my home and I noticed this blue 2053 01:36:03,339 --> 01:36:02,239 object and I just it was so strange it 2054 01:36:07,229 --> 01:36:03,349 was up in the mountains there were no 2055 01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:07,239 roads and I thought okay is that a hiker 2056 01:36:11,859 --> 01:36:09,409 what kind of light is it as somebody 2057 01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:11,869 with a laser pointer and so I kept 2058 01:36:18,910 --> 01:36:16,639 driving and as I moved past a mountain 2059 01:36:22,810 --> 01:36:18,920 I've looked back up and the object was 2060 01:36:25,359 --> 01:36:22,820 now on a different Mountain and I just 2061 01:36:27,729 --> 01:36:25,369 thought okay that is really bizarre so I 2062 01:36:29,620 --> 01:36:27,739 did what every good investigator would 2063 01:36:31,299 --> 01:36:29,630 do and in fact I wasn't a MUFON 2064 01:36:34,510 --> 01:36:31,309 investigator then but you know I went 2065 01:36:37,689 --> 01:36:34,520 and got a taco or a burrito or something 2066 01:36:40,569 --> 01:36:37,699 and then I came home and and I was 2067 01:36:42,250 --> 01:36:40,579 outside just watching a lightning storm 2068 01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:42,260 and trying to take some photographs of 2069 01:36:46,899 --> 01:36:44,719 it thinking that that was strange I'm 2070 01:36:49,540 --> 01:36:46,909 gonna write it off and I looked up the 2071 01:36:52,660 --> 01:36:49,550 mountain straight up from me and I could 2072 01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:52,670 see that object and another object and 2073 01:36:57,879 --> 01:36:55,190 they were right there and I got I was I 2074 01:37:01,060 --> 01:36:57,889 will say that I was at that point very 2075 01:37:05,799 --> 01:37:01,070 unnerved and I did take a couple 2076 01:37:07,839 --> 01:37:05,809 pictures of those objects and I I went 2077 01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:07,849 home and or I went into my house and I 2078 01:37:12,850 --> 01:37:10,130 called my friend and I just said I'm 2079 01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,860 afraid you've got to calm me down 2080 01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:14,480 talk to me off the ledge I don't want to 2081 01:37:20,140 --> 01:37:18,110 go to bed tonight and yeah that was that 2082 01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:20,150 was an interesting experience and then 2083 01:37:26,770 --> 01:37:24,050 to top it off not to be you know reading 2084 01:37:30,189 --> 01:37:26,780 too much into this but I didn't sleep 2085 01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:30,199 well that night I left for work the next 2086 01:37:35,589 --> 01:37:32,690 day and I was driving out of my little 2087 01:37:36,850 --> 01:37:35,599 area and a black unmarked helicopter 2088 01:37:39,339 --> 01:37:36,860 flew 2089 01:37:40,689 --> 01:37:39,349 right over the top of my car and it 2090 01:37:43,419 --> 01:37:40,699 scared me to death 2091 01:37:46,810 --> 01:37:43,429 it was I've never had an experience like 2092 01:37:48,879 --> 01:37:46,820 that so it was it was 24 hours of some 2093 01:37:50,890 --> 01:37:48,889 really intense things and whether 2094 01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:50,900 they're related whether I was reading 2095 01:37:55,930 --> 01:37:53,030 too much into things I don't know but it 2096 01:37:57,939 --> 01:37:55,940 was definitely that was a series of odd 2097 01:38:00,010 --> 01:37:57,949 events Wow 2098 01:38:01,390 --> 01:38:00,020 the organizer of this is a question on 2099 01:38:04,839 --> 01:38:01,400 the message board the organizer of 2100 01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:04,849 Project orange orange has a theory on 2101 01:38:14,319 --> 01:38:07,520 what the orbs are do you agree or 2102 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:14,329 disagree you know I my gosh I think that 2103 01:38:21,220 --> 01:38:17,650 I do agree and if you're talking about 2104 01:38:24,010 --> 01:38:21,230 the you know the organizer I put the 2105 01:38:27,729 --> 01:38:24,020 research project together and I enlisted 2106 01:38:30,129 --> 01:38:27,739 the help of Terry ray because I heard 2107 01:38:34,030 --> 01:38:30,139 him lecture and I knew about his book 2108 01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:34,040 and I just knew I needed him to be a 2109 01:38:38,379 --> 01:38:36,110 part of this and so Terry and I reached 2110 01:38:41,379 --> 01:38:38,389 out to robert spearing who had also done 2111 01:38:45,220 --> 01:38:41,389 a lot of research terry believes that 2112 01:38:50,109 --> 01:38:45,230 these entities are you know obviously 2113 01:38:52,450 --> 01:38:50,119 intuitive not from here I have to say 2114 01:38:56,549 --> 01:38:52,460 that I am inclined to believe that as 2115 01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,559 well mmm about these are intelligent 2116 01:39:03,850 --> 01:38:59,440 they are intelligently controlled 2117 01:39:06,819 --> 01:39:03,860 objects but well just I guess we will 2118 01:39:09,129 --> 01:39:06,829 just let the data speak and we'll try to 2119 01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:09,139 find out as much as we can and and 2120 01:39:15,250 --> 01:39:14,000 educate the public as we do that let's 2121 01:39:19,419 --> 01:39:15,260 see up on the message board do you ever 2122 01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,429 have dreams about UFOs I think that I'd 2123 01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:21,440 I have lots of dreams about UFOs and I 2124 01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:23,329 have oh I've always had really vivid 2125 01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:26,290 dreams it's that only child thing but i 2126 01:39:34,089 --> 01:39:30,920 yeah i have and i think i think dreams 2127 01:39:35,649 --> 01:39:34,099 are so cool they're so fascinating and 2128 01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,659 lots of times I'll write down my dreams 2129 01:39:40,510 --> 01:39:37,520 I like to dream journal 2130 01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:40,520 you know I until we started talking 2131 01:39:47,410 --> 01:39:43,550 about this I forgot all about but I've 2132 01:39:50,250 --> 01:39:47,420 had like a repeat dream that I look up 2133 01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:50,260 in the sky and see 2134 01:39:56,910 --> 01:39:54,400 like hundreds of UFOs and they're like 2135 01:39:58,530 --> 01:39:56,920 wow what are we gonna do you know are we 2136 01:40:00,480 --> 01:39:58,540 being invaded you know that type of 2137 01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:00,490 dream I've had that in a few different 2138 01:40:07,380 --> 01:40:04,750 ways and it's I'm never feeling good at 2139 01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:07,390 the time in the dream no oh my gosh 2140 01:40:13,470 --> 01:40:10,290 it's rather nerve-wracking wracking I 2141 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:13,480 really when I had I had a brief citing I 2142 01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:16,810 should say and when I had that I I never 2143 01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:19,210 had any fear there was no fear involved 2144 01:40:25,340 --> 01:40:21,730 it was just like what does the hack 2145 01:40:28,170 --> 01:40:25,350 that's I don't know how to describe it 2146 01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,180 that's good you know because I I work I 2147 01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:30,400 just was asked to be on the abduction 2148 01:40:37,380 --> 01:40:34,690 research team for MUFON and boy a 2149 01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:37,390 majority of these people that have had 2150 01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:42,730 experiences are very terrified so if we 2151 01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:45,130 can have you know nice experiences 2152 01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:48,970 that's great mm-hmm yeah exactly 2153 01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:51,490 now speaking of experiences and 2154 01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:55,300 experiencers what do you hear in your 2155 01:41:01,200 --> 01:40:57,810 state about people that are describing 2156 01:41:03,210 --> 01:41:01,210 abductions or is that something you 2157 01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:03,220 don't really hear about you know what we 2158 01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:05,410 don't have a lot of people that are 2159 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:07,930 really talking openly about or filing 2160 01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:11,290 reports in Utah we have had a few that 2161 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:14,170 have had experiences I hope that changes 2162 01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:17,050 I think with abductions people are still 2163 01:41:25,020 --> 01:41:21,600 so very scared to come forward and 2164 01:41:28,530 --> 01:41:25,030 society is not kind to people that do 2165 01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:28,540 and it I hope we can change that because 2166 01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:31,570 this is an area that needs serious 2167 01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:38,370 research as well I I do yeah you know I 2168 01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:41,890 had a hard time sometimes I have a hard 2169 01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:44,050 time sometimes thinking that it's as 2170 01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:47,170 vast as people are claiming it is but 2171 01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:50,530 but I don't know you know because it 2172 01:41:57,330 --> 01:41:53,830 seems like it's tens of thousands you 2173 01:41:59,940 --> 01:41:57,340 know constantly and yeah it's kind of 2174 01:42:01,620 --> 01:41:59,950 like when I was saying earlier about the 2175 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:01,630 more you look into it the more questions 2176 01:42:04,379 --> 01:42:03,970 you would be having and why would they 2177 01:42:07,979 --> 01:42:04,389 be Jenn 2178 01:42:10,469 --> 01:42:07,989 why would they possibly follow someone 2179 01:42:11,639 --> 01:42:10,479 if they move to a different state or you 2180 01:42:14,429 --> 01:42:11,649 know I mean there's just more and more 2181 01:42:16,290 --> 01:42:14,439 and more questions there are and it was 2182 01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:16,300 it's interesting because I actually did 2183 01:42:22,739 --> 01:42:19,449 an abduction investigation up near 2184 01:42:27,029 --> 01:42:22,749 skinwalker ranch and it was three 2185 01:42:29,759 --> 01:42:27,039 generations in a family that was and the 2186 01:42:32,279 --> 01:42:29,769 grandmother was in her 90s and started 2187 01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:32,289 having experiences when she was five 2188 01:42:41,219 --> 01:42:38,530 years old that was fascinating and with 2189 01:42:44,299 --> 01:42:41,229 with this type of thing this is you have 2190 01:42:47,689 --> 01:42:44,309 to listen to the witness and basically 2191 01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:47,699 decide whether they're there credible 2192 01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:51,130 rational human beings it's there's not a 2193 01:42:56,959 --> 01:42:53,679 lot of physical evidence to go on but we 2194 01:43:01,020 --> 01:42:56,969 can just keep studying it and and 2195 01:43:03,359 --> 01:43:01,030 hopefully learning more about abductees 2196 01:43:04,979 --> 01:43:03,369 and what the patterns are because there 2197 01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:04,989 are there patterns there as well you 2198 01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:08,159 know a lot of times you think of 2199 01:43:12,989 --> 01:43:10,239 abduction beginning with Betty and 2200 01:43:15,929 --> 01:43:12,999 Barney Hill 1961 or wherever and 2201 01:43:18,029 --> 01:43:15,939 whenever it was and but when you hear 2202 01:43:20,069 --> 01:43:18,039 you do hear about people saying yeah you 2203 01:43:22,949 --> 01:43:20,079 know this person's in their 80s or 90s 2204 01:43:27,149 --> 01:43:22,959 and they think they've been having this 2205 01:43:29,279 --> 01:43:27,159 experience and you know someone looking 2206 01:43:31,739 --> 01:43:29,289 at the skeptical side would say oh yeah 2207 01:43:33,689 --> 01:43:31,749 well they just passed it down you know 2208 01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:33,699 the stories down to their you know 2209 01:43:39,209 --> 01:43:35,260 children or whatever you know I'm sure 2210 01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:39,219 there's always that that side of it it's 2211 01:43:45,330 --> 01:43:43,360 another mystery yeah it is but I you 2212 01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:45,340 know and there are always people to that 2213 01:43:51,629 --> 01:43:48,639 and this is very very few people but 2214 01:43:52,979 --> 01:43:51,639 people that want attention and you know 2215 01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:52,989 but that doesn't happen very often 2216 01:43:57,929 --> 01:43:55,090 because at the end of the day who wants 2217 01:43:58,819 --> 01:43:57,939 that kind of attention right right 2218 01:44:01,169 --> 01:43:58,829 exactly 2219 01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:01,179 someone wants to know how you decide 2220 01:44:08,729 --> 01:44:03,329 what information is reliable and useful 2221 01:44:12,299 --> 01:44:08,739 and what is rubbish or unreliable it's a 2222 01:44:13,889 --> 01:44:12,309 lot of research it's a lot of doing you 2223 01:44:16,949 --> 01:44:13,899 know I might not when I when I get a 2224 01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:16,959 case I will look to multiple sources so 2225 01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:18,230 I'm checking different date 2226 01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:22,489 basses I'm also looking at the sighting 2227 01:44:28,420 --> 01:44:26,570 and reaching out to other state 2228 01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:28,430 directors or field investigators that 2229 01:44:33,850 --> 01:44:31,760 have had similar case reports so I'm 2230 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:33,860 doing that and then you know you have to 2231 01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:35,930 look at the weather data you have to 2232 01:44:41,380 --> 01:44:38,570 make sure you are checking to see if 2233 01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:41,390 it's not a man-made object you know 2234 01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:43,130 there's so many things that go into it 2235 01:44:49,570 --> 01:44:46,210 and then also there is a sense of 2236 01:44:52,630 --> 01:44:49,580 intuition is this person you know you 2237 01:44:55,780 --> 01:44:52,640 can you get pretty good at discerning 2238 01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,790 somebody's character is this a hoax you 2239 01:45:00,190 --> 01:44:57,920 know it's if there's a lot of things 2240 01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:00,200 that go into being a good investigator 2241 01:45:04,510 --> 01:45:02,690 and I am still learning as much as I can 2242 01:45:06,370 --> 01:45:04,520 from all of the people that have been 2243 01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:06,380 doing this for much longer than I have 2244 01:45:11,020 --> 01:45:08,239 yeah I'm sure that's a big part of it is 2245 01:45:14,740 --> 01:45:11,030 learning from those who started before 2246 01:45:18,130 --> 01:45:14,750 you I wouldn't think that there would be 2247 01:45:21,010 --> 01:45:18,140 a high amount of hoaxes as far as people 2248 01:45:26,860 --> 01:45:21,020 calling in reports is that is that true 2249 01:45:28,780 --> 01:45:26,870 or not I have not seen a lot yeah so I 2250 01:45:32,260 --> 01:45:28,790 it's a kind of a time-consuming process 2251 01:45:34,330 --> 01:45:32,270 to file a report right and to go through 2252 01:45:36,670 --> 01:45:34,340 all that so I don't know but I'm sure 2253 01:45:38,830 --> 01:45:36,680 you do get people I haven't had not I 2254 01:45:40,540 --> 01:45:38,840 have not had a case in Utah where 2255 01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:40,550 somebody has been hoaxing something I'm 2256 01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:44,000 sure it will come up but - if you're 2257 01:45:48,490 --> 01:45:45,730 that bored I don't know what to tell you 2258 01:45:51,130 --> 01:45:48,500 well get a life may be speaking with 2259 01:45:53,290 --> 01:45:51,140 Peter Davenport he does you know get 2260 01:45:55,390 --> 01:45:53,300 some Collins but when it you're right 2261 01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:55,400 when it comes to actually writing a 2262 01:46:00,490 --> 01:45:57,170 report who's gonna who's gonna take the 2263 01:46:01,900 --> 01:46:00,500 time in energy you know people are only 2264 01:46:04,450 --> 01:46:01,910 going to do something like that if they 2265 01:46:07,180 --> 01:46:04,460 can get a lot of hits on YouTube by 2266 01:46:08,890 --> 01:46:07,190 creating you know a hoax video third 2267 01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:08,900 phase of the Moon I'm gonna put that out 2268 01:46:20,380 --> 01:46:14,000 there oh come on now yeah say it ain't 2269 01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:20,390 so yeah well yeah yeah there's there's 2270 01:46:25,390 --> 01:46:23,710 part of that that but for the most part 2271 01:46:28,150 --> 01:46:25,400 someone's not going to put the energy 2272 01:46:31,090 --> 01:46:28,160 into it but one of the things that does 2273 01:46:35,140 --> 01:46:31,100 come up a lot is 2274 01:46:37,300 --> 01:46:35,150 you know drones and Chinese later and 2275 01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:37,310 those are the two things that we really 2276 01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:39,920 as people out there are investigating 2277 01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:43,070 they really have to discern what a 2278 01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:44,930 witness is saying when it comes to these 2279 01:46:51,130 --> 01:46:48,050 things you know they do but I will say 2280 01:46:54,610 --> 01:46:51,140 since this is a passion of mine that I 2281 01:46:57,610 --> 01:46:54,620 do believe people are unfortunately 2282 01:46:59,230 --> 01:46:57,620 jumping to the conclusion that things 2283 01:47:02,770 --> 01:46:59,240 are Chinese lanterns and they are 2284 01:47:05,620 --> 01:47:02,780 missing really really good cases Chinese 2285 01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:05,630 lanterns obviously you know follow the 2286 01:47:11,470 --> 01:47:09,010 wind currents they don't last very long 2287 01:47:13,060 --> 01:47:11,480 they you know they're all sorts of 2288 01:47:13,810 --> 01:47:13,070 telltale signs but it's a Chinese 2289 01:47:16,270 --> 01:47:13,820 lantern 2290 01:47:18,130 --> 01:47:16,280 most states have banned the use of 2291 01:47:23,260 --> 01:47:18,140 Chinese lanterns because of the fire 2292 01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:23,270 hazards right so you know I think I 2293 01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:25,970 think that those the Chinese lantern 2294 01:47:34,330 --> 01:47:28,850 theory hopefully with the project orange 2295 01:47:36,510 --> 01:47:34,340 will maybe not become as easy of an out 2296 01:47:39,670 --> 01:47:36,520 for people 2297 01:47:43,300 --> 01:47:39,680 what about drones do you ever get any of 2298 01:47:45,460 --> 01:47:43,310 that through through your state you know 2299 01:47:48,250 --> 01:47:45,470 I have a new person that is training to 2300 01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:48,260 be a field investigator and and he has 2301 01:47:53,230 --> 01:47:51,530 worked for the military and I asked him 2302 01:47:54,460 --> 01:47:53,240 that very thing because of the sightings 2303 01:47:58,990 --> 01:47:54,470 that we've had over the Salt Lake Valley 2304 01:48:01,480 --> 01:47:59,000 and he he he said that it is it 2305 01:48:04,090 --> 01:48:01,490 absolutely will not happen at the 2306 01:48:07,540 --> 01:48:04,100 military it is illegal to fly drones 2307 01:48:09,490 --> 01:48:07,550 here and I asked him well you know we've 2308 01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:09,500 got these sightings over the valley 2309 01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:12,050 would the military be testing anything 2310 01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:16,210 over populated areas absolutely not 2311 01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:18,920 right so you know that there goes that 2312 01:48:25,810 --> 01:48:22,880 if it's it's yeah what I've seen is not 2313 01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:25,820 a drone and and I would think that 2314 01:48:31,390 --> 01:48:29,810 that's yeah you know I don't think 2315 01:48:33,970 --> 01:48:31,400 that's what a majority of these people 2316 01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:33,980 are seeing now there are you know the 2317 01:48:39,420 --> 01:48:36,320 personal drones the little you know the 2318 01:48:41,740 --> 01:48:39,430 little four bladed ones that you can 2319 01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,750 activate off your cell phone stuff like 2320 01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:44,080 that I'm sure that there's 2321 01:48:48,060 --> 01:48:46,030 a lot of things being seen out there but 2322 01:48:49,980 --> 01:48:48,070 mostly those type of things are more in 2323 01:48:53,010 --> 01:48:49,990 populated areas that they're being used 2324 01:48:55,970 --> 01:48:53,020 or there's actually some film drones now 2325 01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:55,980 I don't know what's legal and illegal to 2326 01:49:02,400 --> 01:48:59,920 use I'm sure it has to do with probably 2327 01:49:04,260 --> 01:49:02,410 size perhaps or where they're being 2328 01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:04,270 flown I don't know any of the 2329 01:49:08,690 --> 01:49:06,850 regulations I have to tie have to tell 2330 01:49:12,030 --> 01:49:08,700 you a funny story I have a neighbor who 2331 01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:12,040 has a drone and it's really really super 2332 01:49:17,940 --> 01:49:14,650 cool and he is a photographer so he'll 2333 01:49:21,540 --> 01:49:17,950 use it for that and and I he knew I was 2334 01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:21,550 having a little MUFON meeting here oh oh 2335 01:49:27,180 --> 01:49:25,330 and so this is the best story ever but 2336 01:49:29,010 --> 01:49:27,190 we were all sitting on the back deck and 2337 01:49:32,250 --> 01:49:29,020 you know we're quietly telling these 2338 01:49:35,130 --> 01:49:32,260 stories and it's intense and and all of 2339 01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:35,140 a sudden my neighbor flies its drone 2340 01:49:41,820 --> 01:49:38,800 right over the patio and just to see the 2341 01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:41,830 look on people's faces it was the 2342 01:49:46,290 --> 01:49:44,560 funniest like two minutes of my life and 2343 01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:46,300 I'm pretty sure that he had a camera on 2344 01:49:54,540 --> 01:49:48,850 the drone and I'm sure he was over in 2345 01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:54,550 his driveway just laughing it was funny 2346 01:50:00,360 --> 01:49:56,290 well it's little things in life that 2347 01:50:03,480 --> 01:50:00,370 make you happy so yeah yeah now going 2348 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:03,490 back to MUFON you're the director 2349 01:50:08,460 --> 01:50:06,010 there's only eight eight or so sightings 2350 01:50:10,580 --> 01:50:08,470 a month that are reported 2351 01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:10,590 how many investigators are in the state 2352 01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:14,280 we have right now we have got five 2353 01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:17,410 investigators but we still need more and 2354 01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:19,510 even though we only have eight sightings 2355 01:50:24,210 --> 01:50:22,000 there's so much that we could be doing 2356 01:50:27,150 --> 01:50:24,220 in the meantime you know we have to go 2357 01:50:29,580 --> 01:50:27,160 out and talk to law enforcement and 2358 01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:29,590 build relationships with them so we can 2359 01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:32,110 get information we do have reports of 2360 01:50:39,300 --> 01:50:35,650 cattle mutilations consistently in some 2361 01:50:42,030 --> 01:50:39,310 of these areas like the Uintah Basin so 2362 01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:42,040 all sorts of stuff can be done and we 2363 01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:45,040 did have on October 2nd of last year we 2364 01:50:51,390 --> 01:50:47,590 had a mass sighting here and in Colorado 2365 01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:51,400 and that was that made national news 2366 01:50:56,730 --> 01:50:53,770 that was a pretty big deal so that is 2367 01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:56,740 still being investigated at least here 2368 01:51:00,750 --> 01:50:57,850 in Utah 2369 01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:00,760 the theory was for a while that they 2370 01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:04,330 were Google loon balloons but my 2371 01:51:08,940 --> 01:51:06,130 thoughts on that have been there was no 2372 01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:08,950 transponder data and these objects were 2373 01:51:14,450 --> 01:51:12,370 seen over the NSA which is the most 2374 01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:14,460 highly restricted airspace in the world 2375 01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:17,170 over populated areas and in a flight 2376 01:51:22,230 --> 01:51:19,090 corridor for the Salt Lake International 2377 01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:22,240 Airport which would be a huge safety 2378 01:51:28,350 --> 01:51:26,050 concern so lots of things weren't adding 2379 01:51:30,630 --> 01:51:28,360 up the fact that these objects were 2380 01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:30,640 stationary for over an hour at a time 2381 01:51:37,770 --> 01:51:35,350 and then moved incredibly quickly it was 2382 01:51:42,420 --> 01:51:37,780 it's it was it's a great case so I have 2383 01:51:45,420 --> 01:51:42,430 made a FOIA request I have twice from 2384 01:51:49,650 --> 01:51:45,430 the FAA received data that it is 2385 01:51:52,710 --> 01:51:49,660 unreadable so maybe at some point in 2386 01:51:56,430 --> 01:51:52,720 time we'll get the information but on my 2387 01:51:59,120 --> 01:51:56,440 in Utah that is still a big question 2388 01:52:02,700 --> 01:51:59,130 mark now how many people would you say 2389 01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:02,710 witness that approximately oh boy you 2390 01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:06,130 know I would say in Utah there were at 2391 01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:09,190 least a hundred people I mean we had I 2392 01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:11,130 started getting calls from the media 2393 01:52:17,190 --> 01:52:15,490 that afternoon and and Fox 13 News just 2394 01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:17,200 said hey you know what's going on our 2395 01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:19,330 message boards on Facebook are lighting 2396 01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,760 up or getting phone calls people all 2397 01:52:25,260 --> 01:52:23,920 over the Salt Lake Valley or are seeing 2398 01:52:28,710 --> 01:52:25,270 these objects and they want to know what 2399 01:52:30,690 --> 01:52:28,720 they are and at that point it was just 2400 01:52:33,060 --> 01:52:30,700 kind of scrambling and trying to figure 2401 01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:33,070 out if I could see anything on flight 2402 01:52:39,420 --> 01:52:37,360 radar and making phone calls it was 2403 01:52:43,890 --> 01:52:39,430 really great because the next day they 2404 01:52:46,740 --> 01:52:43,900 were seen in Colorado and over there 2405 01:52:49,410 --> 01:52:46,750 there were cases where these objects 2406 01:52:53,390 --> 01:52:49,420 were seen with jets pursuing them 2407 01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:53,400 military jets that's know you hear about 2408 01:52:59,970 --> 01:52:56,850 quite a bit you know I've known some 2409 01:53:02,340 --> 01:52:59,980 eyewitnesses that have had that same 2410 01:53:04,980 --> 01:53:02,350 story when up in Canada the whole party 2411 01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:04,990 a group out on his deck they all watched 2412 01:53:10,380 --> 01:53:07,810 this disc fly by with two fighter jets 2413 01:53:11,550 --> 01:53:10,390 on on its tail you know you hear about 2414 01:53:14,670 --> 01:53:11,560 that a lot and 2415 01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:14,680 just it's so curious to me why you don't 2416 01:53:19,380 --> 01:53:16,690 hear the pilots eventually talk about 2417 01:53:21,810 --> 01:53:19,390 them you know them actually doing that 2418 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:21,820 I've never heard except for the case and 2419 01:53:29,460 --> 01:53:26,890 I wrecked our Iran back in 1974 or 2420 01:53:33,630 --> 01:53:29,470 whenever that was you don't really hear 2421 01:53:36,810 --> 01:53:33,640 about the pilots that we're pursuing you 2422 01:53:40,440 --> 01:53:36,820 don't and I think having a couple 2423 01:53:43,110 --> 01:53:40,450 friends that are actually still in the 2424 01:53:45,930 --> 01:53:43,120 service it's not anything that you talk 2425 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:45,940 talk about because of all of the fact 2426 01:53:52,170 --> 01:53:48,090 that it's it's your risk in your career 2427 01:53:55,290 --> 01:53:52,180 and you do find commercial pilots are a 2428 01:53:57,960 --> 01:53:55,300 little bit better now at talking about 2429 01:54:00,660 --> 01:53:57,970 things but there's still a big stigma 2430 01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:00,670 there okay Erika we only have a couple 2431 01:54:06,030 --> 01:54:03,520 minutes well about a minute just over a 2432 01:54:09,710 --> 01:54:06,040 minute here but one of the questions 2433 01:54:12,780 --> 01:54:09,720 that was on the message board is do you 2434 01:54:15,780 --> 01:54:12,790 do suppose it's possible that the lack 2435 01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:15,790 of reports in your state have anything 2436 01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:17,730 to do with the religious beliefs that 2437 01:54:22,530 --> 01:54:19,840 thought has crossed my mind that's a 2438 01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:22,540 great question I think that there might 2439 01:54:27,660 --> 01:54:26,080 be some correlation but I think it 2440 01:54:29,220 --> 01:54:27,670 honestly the end of the day it's just 2441 01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:29,230 the fact that people don't know where to 2442 01:54:34,980 --> 01:54:33,130 go to report it and when I have had case 2443 01:54:38,490 --> 01:54:34,990 reports there have been people that have 2444 01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:38,500 been of the predominant faith and so I 2445 01:54:43,250 --> 01:54:40,110 don't I don't know it's a great question 2446 01:54:48,570 --> 01:54:43,260 but I'll keep you posted on that 2447 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:48,580 yeah you know that often often I would 2448 01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:52,810 imagine does have we have something 2449 01:55:00,360 --> 01:54:54,370 about this a total different message 2450 01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:00,370 board from my from my producer coming up 2451 01:55:05,130 --> 01:55:02,800 an update from Richard C Hoagland on 2452 01:55:07,890 --> 01:55:05,140 today's released image of Pluto on sky 2453 01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:07,900 watchers radio that's next right after 2454 01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:10,870 this show we have I think that's going 2455 01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:12,550 to wrap it up for us Erica how do you 2456 01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:14,890 have a website you know it is the UFO 2457 01:55:21,300 --> 01:55:17,920 audit calm and then I'm on Facebook and 2458 01:55:22,380 --> 01:55:21,310 you can go to the UFO audit I'm sorry to 2459 01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:22,390 do this but I'm gonna have to cut too 2460 01:55:25,729 --> 01:55:24,690 short this is Martin Willis 2461 01:55:27,380 --> 01:55:25,739 and I want to thank everyone for 2462 01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:27,390 listening to the show I want to thank 2463 01:55:32,540 --> 01:55:30,480 Keith for producing the show Peggy for 2464 01:55:35,630 --> 01:55:32,550 our Facebook page our guests of course 2465 01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:35,640 Erika Luke's and Thank You the list of 2466 01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:36,930 the most important part of the show 2467 01:55:41,420 --> 01:55:38,850 we'll see you next week right here on